UFO Conjectures

Sunday, January 10, 2016

Zero Effect is more than that, and UFOs are affected by measurement/observation

In the physics experiment, noted in my January 8th posting (just below this one), a measurement of atoms indicated they [the atoms] won’t move or didn’t move during measurement/observation.

This goes to the quantum maxim that measurement/observation disturbs or affects that which is being observed/measured.

I’ve dealt with this off-and-on over the years at this blog and the RRRGroup blog (among others, including my MediaWatch site and blogs).

Marshall McLuhan pointed out that when people (individually and in groups) are being observed, overtly, that is, they know they re being observed or photographed, they will act differently that they would if they didn’t know they were under observation.

The idea is rather basic as I see it.

I think this also may occur when UFOs are spotted, by eyesight, radar, or any other form of observation/measurement; that is, UFOs will be affected by or are affected by measurement/observation.

And depending upon the kind of observation/measurement, UFOs will react or are affected according to the essence of the measurement/observation:

If a person adopts a laissez faire attitude the spotted UFO will merely pass over or move on unsensationally.

But should the measurement or observation be intense, by the observer (who gets animated or overly excited) or a serious measurement (by optical equipment or radar tracking), the UFO will respond (and does) in a way that reflects an awareness of the observation or measurement, as seems the case in the atoms observation noted in the posting below this one (and quantum measurements generally).

This presupposes for some a telepathic connection, and it may be, but I prefer to think it’s a mechanism of AI (artificial intelligence) algorithms at work by the UFOs or their inhabitants, which are, for me, AI entities, programmed to interpret (intercept) probes and differentiate them (as to seriousness or importance).

Persons or machines observing/measuring UFOs are the arbiter of what the UFOs will do or how they react: a jet pursuing a UFO will get a different reaction than a passive witness on the ground.

(And those, who think that quantum theory only allows for “laws” relevant to the micro world, are out of the current quantum loop, where quantum effects are also induced into the macro world.)

N.B. Image used and  more about quantum measurement can be found here: 



  • People behave differently when being observed because they are conscious; they are aware that they are being observed. Are atoms conscious? I find it easier to believe in space-traveling aliens who visit us occassionaly than in the fact that atoms have consciousness and self-awareness and can somehow make a "decision" to "stay still" when being measured or observed. Something's just not right here.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Sunday, January 10, 2016  

  • Here's where we differ, Dominick....

    I think, as Aristotle did, that all things have life. (Aquinas clarifies The Philosopher's view in Summa Theologica).

    So, atoms may have life, but my point here is that AI entities are UFOs or inhabit UFOs (UFOs being their vehicles for travel).

    These entities -- see my previous postings on AI and UFOs -- interact with humans in technological ways, not emotional or human-like ways.

    They are "machines' programmed to interact with or record what they encounter,

    Observing (measuring) them will bring about results appropriate to the observation (or measurement).

    Atoms, as unlikely as it may appear, would also "behave" or react to measurement/observation according to the nature of the measurement observation, atoms having some kind of sentience a la Aristotle....and I think some quantum theorists.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, January 10, 2016  

  • Perhaps we don't differ. I have no problem with AI programed to interact with humans in technological ways. Indeed, I'll go further than you and argue that AI could be programed to respond in emotional and human-like ways, too. Why not? (I saw this on Star Treck at least 50 years ago so AI in UFOs that are 1 million years advanced could easily pull that off.) What I have trouble with is not that "all things have life" but that all things (atoms, the keyboard I'm typing this note on) have consciousness and can be self aware. That I have trouble with and I'm not sure that even Aristotle or St. Thomas could convince me of that. But they could not convince me of God's alleged existence, either.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Sunday, January 10, 2016  

  • Well, Dominick, if God existed once, He no longer does, in my book. So we sort of agree there.

    There's the argument that natural things live, not unnatural things, like our computer keyboards or monitors et cetera.

    But trees, rivers, atoms, rocks even have a kind of life. (But we go astray with that "nonsense.")


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, January 10, 2016  

  • ``And those, who think that quantum theory only allows for “laws” relevant to the micro world, are out of the current quantum loop, where quantum effects are also induced into the macro world.``

    For the purposes of science, such behavior does not transpose into human behavior/psychology in a direct way. And to use quantum theory to speak about human behavior is wrong-headed and NOT supported by the science. It doesn't matter that someone might pull a quantum event into the macro world. That's not the test you need to prove what you'd need to prove. The test for science is whether or not such a transposition is NECESSARILY TRUE when brought into the macro world. And were it necessarily true, free will would be out the window. We'd all be little more than quantum flotsam and jetsam in the universe, with no REAL ability to choose to do anything.

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Monday, January 11, 2016  

  • ``Take, for example, the classic prisoner’s dilemma. Two criminals are offered the opportunity to rat each other out. If one rats, and the other doesn’t, the snitch goes free while the other serves a three-year sentence. If they both rat, they each get two years. If neither rats, they each get one year. If players always behaved in their own self-interest, they’d always rat. But research has shown that people often choose to cooperate.``


    If quantum theory explains the irrational behavior, what explains the rational behavior of humans?

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Monday, January 11, 2016  

  • "In quantum physics, the “observer effect” refers to how measuring the state of a particle can change the very state you’re trying to measure. "

    That's the point of my posting, nothing more, nothing less.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, January 11, 2016  

  • Not a posting:

    "Well, Dominick, if God existed once, He no longer does, in my book. So we sort of agree there."

    As a recovering Catholic I find deism somewhat attractive. It beats being a screaming atheist or a half-atheist agnostic. The only problem with it is it descends (into hell) with the 'intelligent design' folk of the bible belt...

    Best regards,


    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Tuesday, January 12, 2016  

  • Bryan...

    I bet we could have some kind of intellectual fun debating the existence of God, or rather the demiurge, we've mistakenly called God.

    This is not the venue but maybe I can draw you to one of my other blogs where the matter is ripe for traction.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, January 12, 2016  

  • I find this very interesting indeed.

    Unfortunately I am a layman (read: dunce) and would never understand the mechanism by which this phenomenon occurs, nor the math.

    But I have to guess that the particle-wave duality of photons is in some way related.

    So I will stay tuned to learn more. Thank you.


    By Blogger VRD, at Sunday, January 17, 2016  

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