UFO Conjecture(s)

Thursday, March 17, 2016

The irrationality of [many] extraterrestrial visitations via UFOs

This schema of the Universe and where we are in it shows that advanced civilizations elsewhere would never, even accidentally, stumble upon Earth and engage in returning, multiple visitations.

To persist in the idea that extraterrestrials (an alien culture) have visited and are visiting this non-descript planet is irrational to the point of insanity.

One might argue that an advanced civilization close-by (on a moon in our solar system or from a planetary system a few light years away in our galaxy) might account for UFOs but, in the numbers indicated by the raft of UFO sightings/reports, that possibility is also a mental/logical stretch.

Ufologists have got to come up with another scenario to explain the UFO phenomenon. Otherwise they (ufologists and UFO buffs) must be deemed to be mentally deficient or mad.

RR

22 Comments:

  • Are you familiar with Drake's equation? (I don't mean Sir Francis Drake either)

    Do you think it has any relevance to your assertion of who or what might have visited planet earth in the time of Homo Sapiens's existence, however long that really is?

    Fascinating subject, eh?

    By Blogger cda, at Thursday, March 17, 2016  

  • Drake’s equation has become a cliché, CDA, for me anyway.

    Like The Big Bang, it's piffle.

    I'm leaning toward inter-dimensional or time-travel possibilities for UFOs, interstellar travel so patently absurd.

    (And yes, a fascinating subject, if one doesn't have practical contingencies to deal with.)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, March 17, 2016  

  • Are you kidding me? This excuse for an article can't come up with anything better than 'I don't know how they could get here so I guess they haven't and all the evidence to the contrary means nothing'? That was a waste of the time it took to read.

    By Blogger John Collins, at Thursday, March 17, 2016  

  • John:

    It's not a matter of how they could they get here....but why, and in the numbers indicated by UFO sightings/reports.

    Try to read a little more carefully.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, March 17, 2016  

  • The Drake equation, like your contention, is easily falsified by the likelihood that when any species finds how to travel faster than light (or through time or parallel universes) - at any point in the history of the cosmos - the genie is well and truly out of the bottle and all estimates of the odds of sentient life's extent go out the window.
    Furthermore, in recent decades there HAVE been significant instances of what can genuinely be termed evidence that our solar system is inhabited by various cultures - some of them originally terrestrial.
    Living at the bottom of a deep gravity well controlled by nincompoops and self-important ignoramuses who routinely lie, obfuscate and censor, is no basis for claiming one knows ANYTHING definitive about what's out there - or what isn't.
    There are plenty of intriguing contemporary sightings that cast further light on this issue, from NASA and elsewhere - so why do you insist on primarily discussing old cases that are so cold they're frozen solid?
    easier to deny than to genuinely investigate?

    By Blogger new illuminati, at Thursday, March 17, 2016  

  • new illuminati....

    I take an archaeological view of UFO sightings -- the old cases intrigue.

    I'm sure an advanced civilization could traverse space distances, via worm holes or time-displacement, or something else.

    But my bone of contention is why? What has Earth to offer that is so much more spectacular than other places that it (Earth) draws all the visitations that UFO reports (new or old) indicate?

    Don't be so defensive. Your ET view is irrational, that's all....not impossible but improbable.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, March 17, 2016  

  • Per "new illuninati":
    "Furthermore, in recent decades there HAVE been significant instances of what can genuinely be termed evidence that our solar system is inhabited by various cultures - some of them originally terrestrial..."

    What evidence is that? The only hard core solid proof is life on this planet. That's not to say that the possibilities exist for some form of life in our galaxy and/or else where in the universe.

    Again, present your evidence...

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Friday, March 18, 2016  

  • You ask what the Earth has to offer for visiting aliens to want to visit us. Strange thing to say. It depends not on how we see ourselves, but how aliens regard us. For all you know, they are such an evil and ghastly society (by our standards) that they wish to explore the universe in the hope of finding a truly advanced and more benevolent society, such as us (by their standards).

    It is all a matter of relativeness, or relativity if you prefer!

    None of us knows the answer, do we?

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, March 18, 2016  

  • CDA, that kind of thinking smacks of the flawed Alien Astronaut hypotheses: Aliens are coming here for gold, because it's so valuable or useful.

    Gold is only valuable in context of the evolutionary economics of Earth.

    In your scenario, aliens might find Earth so wonderful or awful that they have to come back here, in stages (UFO flaps) to renew their awe.

    Looking at the graphic that opens this posting, one can see that there are countless(!) worlds that would have to be more wonderful or awful in the Universe (or other dimensions) that this planet. (The odds are in my favor on that I think.)

    Earth, despite our human glorification of it) is a non-descript, rather obscure (in locale) planet, at the edge of a galaxy that itself is rather non-descript.

    Time to forget alien visitations.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, March 18, 2016  

  • RR,

    Your second paragraph, ET visitations being irrational, is fortunately countered by your last paragraph.

    As I have pondered our topic, RR, I have come believe this (last paragraph) is exactly the point. The only explanation for finding ET or for ET finding us is one of technology. The brains at SETI continue to listen and even their new expansion is an evolution of their technology. Thinking of Ufology must evolve, actually it is, this blog being and example of it.

    As you suggest, reading between the lines, we have an unknown for now, and I, like you, believe there are unknowns. But recognizing that our information age has our knowledge expanding exponentially we can't think in just static linear spaceflight as an explanation without a superluminal element.

    Other projections of advancement into dimensional, including time must be also be considered. A multiverse could have our awareness falling short and that others are existing simultaneously around us or close by just beyond our current visions. It is a case of perhaps'just what are we missing here?'. Without thinking outside the box Ufology is indeed dead.

    Thinking outside the box presents the only hope. So, just what are we missing here?

    BD

    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Friday, March 18, 2016  

  • "Earth, despite our human glorification of it) is a non-descript, rather obscure (in locale) planet, at the edge of a galaxy that itself is rather non-descript."

    Have to disagree with that one, we are sentient, giving us a toe hold among others, projecting that there are others with, 'if we are, they are'. With that premise the question is only can we find each other? -And I wouldn't go with non-descript; our temperate water world is clearly unique in this solar system.

    BD

    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Friday, March 18, 2016  

  • Bryan...

    The interest in UFOs is buttressed by its ongoing mystery and elusiveness.

    The problem. for many of us attuned to the topic (you, me, CDA, Tim, and most of the persons who comment here) is that we are subject to the commentary from ET proponents, whose irrationality is unfathomable to me.

    The simplistic ET view, promulgated by Stan Friedman to the detriment of other thoughtful considerations, has usurped "thinking outside the box" -- which I've begged for many time. (See early postings here and at our other UFO blogs, about Edward De Bono's approach.)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, March 18, 2016  

  • Taking into consideration this post's photo showing our solar system at the periphery of the galaxy, can it be argued that any advanced civilization would also occupy the "galactic periphery"? This being that the "comfort" zone to encourage advanced life would not be towards the galactic center which would be more inhospitable to fostering any life.

    If this were true then the lines of communication/travel would vary with only approximately a quarter of the periphery galactic habital zone in close approximation to our solar system. The remainder, 75 percent, would be isolated by shear distance.

    Now I'm just a dumb ass psych RN so no one should wet themselves reading the above. I merely propose it as a possible idea for consideration.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Friday, March 18, 2016  

  • Tim:

    Distance doesn't factor in for ET proponents; they assume advanced aliens would have mastered travel problems that we conjure with at the present time.

    The problem, again, is why would aliens keep coming here, in such large numbers as UFO accounts indicate? It doesn't make sense, unless one posits an extremely curious mental attitude or lack of existence prohibition for an alien culture.

    Earth may be unique and special but not to the point of alleged visitations that UFO reports purport to tell.

    Human beings are hubristic, thinking that we are such a special species on such a special planet that other cultures from places far, far away just can't stay away.

    It's ludicrous. (See my latest posting about this.)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, March 18, 2016  

  • The Big Bang is "piffle"? How on earth can you justify a comment like that? The evidence for Cosmic Inflation is now heading into 'overwhelming'.

    The rest of your analysis is sound enough, however. I see it's been countered by the usual unfalsifiable, burden of proof inverting and crank claims of the 'Saucer Nuts'.

    Interdimensional and time travel hypotheses require the same extraordinary evidence as the Interstellar one. Otherwise it's more unfalsifiable bunk.

    Meanwhile, the PSH and null hypotheses continue to wait patiently...

    By Blogger scherben, at Saturday, March 19, 2016  

  • In college, scherben, my initial discipline was astrophysics, but the discourse between me and almost everyone else, including the professors was so rabid, I changed to psychology (and music).

    Their stance was The Big Bang, mine was the Hoyle steady-state theory, which I still adhere to with nuances (covered here and elsewhere earlier).

    I recently saw a program on the Science Channel which was about The Big Bang. The scientists presenting that view were almost maniacal in there explanation(s).

    I'll stick with "piffle" for now.

    Again, you are right about interstellar travel (and inter-dimensional or time time travel) but my position is not to accept one or another of those views but to ask why an alien culture would seek out Earth to the extent that UFO reportage indicates?

    What is so fascinating?

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, March 19, 2016  

  • The fascination could stem from a desire to make interstellar nature programmes for space telly? Seems as good an idea as any...

    They do seem to be as fascinated with homo sapiens sapiens as fairies, pixies and other 'forest folk' were in the pre-technological age. Funny that.

    By Blogger scherben, at Saturday, March 19, 2016  

  • I just got a notice that the Postal Service will deliver Foucault's book on "Madness..." today.

    I'm hoping his erudition will help explain the matter.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, March 19, 2016  

  • Yes, but if the HERE is insignificant so is the NOW. That is: Aren't we just as lost in time as we are in space? Same argument applies. No reason to come here or to come now.

    By Blogger djs, at Saturday, March 19, 2016  

  • djs...

    Tell us more...

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, March 19, 2016  

  • Let's apply Occam's razor:

    "Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected."

    So which hypothesis is more correct?

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Sunday, March 20, 2016  

  • "Meanwhile, the PSH and null hypotheses continue to wait patiently..."

    Looks like there's another Scientific-realist Pelicanist in the house!

    (vbg)

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Sunday, March 20, 2016  

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