UFO Conjecture(s)

Monday, April 25, 2016

What happened to the recent Ramey-memo review?

A short while ago, visitors to Kevin Randle’s blog were agog about a new attempt to determine, after the successful revelation of the so-called Roswell mummy plaque, what the piece of paper held in General Roger Ramey’s hand during the photo-taking of the 1947 Roswell debris actually contained, word-wise.

A select group of Roswell mummy “decoders” and others were called upon to extend David Rudiak’s long-time attempt to decipher the Ramey-memo content.

A lot of commentary ensued but then the matter seems to have disappeared into a ufological black hole.

If this is the extent of UFO research by UFO buffs, it’s pretty sad.

Enthusiasm and seriousness, like all things UFO related are short-lived (usually non-existent).

When scientists, researchers of various disciplines, and serious hobbyists get hold of a thing that they find interesting or unexplained, they dig in and tackle the matter until there is a resolution, or a denouement of some kind, even one that concludes the explanation sought cannot be forthcoming, a rare denouement, as real curiosity is not so easily sated.

So, where does the Ramey-memo scrutiny stand?



  • The short and definitive answer is that it has reached the end of the road. I would go further and say it is the biggest red herring ever connected with Roswell. But I am no real expert on such matters, am I?

    I leave the final answer to the guys who are better qualified as 'Roswellologists'.

    By Blogger cda, at Monday, April 25, 2016  

  • The Roswellologists!!!

    You kill me CDA.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, April 25, 2016  

  • Your inquiry is a good one. Where's the project today and why no updates?

    As noted soon after the project was "announced", little detail was provided on the people who recieved the images and how they planned to evaluate them.

    Yes, we were told both skeptics and believers were given these files. But afterward the entire effort fell into the black hole of silence.

    We do know Lance was given copies and witnessed a little squabbling about public opinion sharing.

    Like CDA, I must conclude the effort has failed altogether. Just one more stake in the heart of the Roswell myth.

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Tuesday, April 26, 2016  

  • Hello,

    Why no update? Because it will be the same who will continue to defend they have decyphered the memo. Aka biased guys.

    In my opinion (to have been part of a FB effort team like the "Roswell Slides Research Group"), I was part too, but about its "Ramey Memo" issue, there is nothing to add to the (iy is a pity) bad-known article by Houran, James. "A search for meaning in the Ramey document from the Roswell UFO case". Fund for UFO Research. Alexandria,Virginia. 2005-6. P.35.

    The article already solved the issue. It is important to state that independant agencies or people/experts have been consulted by Houran in its study. So, "it is not ufology, after all" ;)

    A must read! All is said inside it.


    Gilles Fernandez

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Tuesday, April 26, 2016  

  • Ask Ron Regehr, the extensive photo analysis of the 'Ramey memo' will be published in his forthcoming book. Good things (sometimes) come to those who wait... I get asked about the same kind of scenario re: Ray Stanford's photo/film analysis. Oftentimes, the best work is published when the work has undergone peer review. The 'Roswell Slide' fiasco was fairly easy by comparison, IMO...

    By Blogger Christopher O'Brien, at Tuesday, April 26, 2016  

  • I believe Regher's comments about the memo will not be any different than what is seen in this 2012 seminar he gave on the memo's interpretation (see below). The team he assembled includes some of the same people serving with Kevin's group.


    The problem with Regher's approach is that he assembled a team entirely composed of biased pro-ETers who believe the Ramey memo is already the ultimate smoking gun (watch the 33 min video).

    Regher states he hasn't used any software enhancements to come to this conclusion.

    Of course not. Why bother when you already know the document says what you want it to say.

    He believes Rudiak's interpretation is correct - an alien saucer was retrieved with bodies.

    So we can accurately predict his upcoming book will add nothing to our current knowledge. Just more endorsements for the ETH by pro-ET supporters.

    You can catch him doing his Ramey Memo talk at the Roswell UFO festival this coming July, 2016.

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Wednesday, April 27, 2016  

  • In agree 100% with Brian, above. We can expect the book to be heavily plugged at the Roswell festival. But its value to science will be absolute zero. (i.e. the temperature where molecules are completely at rest).

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, April 27, 2016  

  • Fellows:

    My post about the UFO Sweden film notes that the Swedish UFO group garnered funds from members and others for an "expedition" to a lake where a couple saw a rocket-like ship sink.

    The documentary shows that serious UFO researchers will put together monies for what they think is a worthwhile endeavor.

    This is what I expected the Ramey memo advocates might do. I even provided, as the outset of the renewed debate, names of organizations that have the ability to decipher things even more problematical than the Ramey imaged memo,

    Brian suggests this also.

    That no one stepped up to do so tells me that the ufologists peppering the debate are not serious, just wistful about the matter.

    The memo as presented via a troublesome photo is far from an inability to decipher.

    If I were interested -- and I am not despite this posting -- I'd fund the scrutiny.

    Let those who think the memo is exculpatory evidence for a Roswell ET crash put their money where their mouths are, or else shut up about the thing.

    Rudiak et al. are tiresome about Roswell, and when they hesitate to gather the goods that may be available to make their points, they are worse than tiresome, they are pathetic.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, April 27, 2016  

  • As I wrote on Kevin's site, what is it about this Ramey thing anyway? I would summarise it as a last gasp, or grasp, at something for ETHers to try and prove the USAF have captured a three-legged biped. We have two perfectly clear official documents from 1947/48 which say NO flying disc hardware is in USAF hands. Kevin has presented both of these docs, but still wants to keep the myth alive.

    What happens? The ETHers seized on a very blurred image of writing on a piece of paper and tried desperately to read things that are, literally, undecipherable. It has no author, no date, no recipient and no signature. It was, and still is, a last ditch attempt by ETHers to prove that no = yes.

    Pathetic indeed. But that is what ufology is all about.

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, April 27, 2016  

  • Yes, CDA...

    If the Roswell-fixated really wanted to bolster their ET case, I would think they'd go the extra mile to accrue any and all evidence for their cause.

    That they don't, either indicates that down deep, they know they have no ET case or they are just crapping around for the fun of it.

    Kevin has a gut feeling that something special happened near Roswell, maybe even an ET accident, so I give him the benefit of the doubt.

    But if Rudiak and a few of his cronies want to really want to know what the Ramey memo says -- even if it's just military tripe -- I would think they'd ante up some money to get that damned memo deciphered, once and for all, so we all can go to bed at night knowing at least one Roswell riddle is solved.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, April 27, 2016  

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