UFO Conjectures

Monday, May 23, 2016

Plants with NI (natural intelligence) are more dangerous than machines with AI (artificial intelligence)

This goes to the heart of my meager theses posed here earlier that intelligent plants may be piloting UFOs: The Thing From Another World scenario.

A number of books and documentaries, going way back to a Disney treatment in the late 1950s, indicate that plant life is sentient (conscious and thinking).

This book – What a Plant Knows: A Field Guide to the Senses by Daniel Chanovitz (Ph.D, Director of the Manna Center for Plant Biosciences, Tel Aviv University) [Scientific American/Farrar, Strauss and Giroux, NY, 2012] -- is a must read for those inclined to think plants may be a thinking species on this planet (and maybe elsewhere).

My academic pal, Bryan Sentes, is enamored of hallucinogenic derivatives from plants, and not too inclined to accept the potential dangers of machine intelligence (AI).

But let me propose this…

Plants have been on the Earth, evolving from the earliest eons of Earth’s existence, making it through the asteroid catastrophe that allegedly killed off the dinosaurs and also living through The Great Death that wiped out over 90% of Earth’s living creatures.

Proof that plants think is a given in most scientific quarters.

Let’s assume that plants decide to take over this planet or have evolved elsewhere in the cosmos and are visiting us with he goal of taking control of our watery planet for their own salvation and progeneration – The Thing From Another World scenario, again.
Plants, now, can drug humanity – Bryan Sentes and his academic cronies, for example – by addicting them to the point of stupor. Or plants can provide toxins that eliminate Earth’s species that feed or who struggle to eradicate plants (weeds et cetera).

A wholesale assault by plant life, coming together to protect its life-forms, or to inhabit the planet, from afar (via UFOS), is much more nefarious than the potential danger from intelligent machines via AI.

And my friend Bryan Sentes should be more concerned, adopting entheogens as a path to human transcendence, than by denying the death march coming our way by AI machines.

We should all be worried that advanced, evolved plant life from another world may already be scouring this planet for a take-over. After all they do seem awfully interested in plant life here, as many UFO witnesses report.



  • That explains why E.T. was a botanist. :)
    The scariest thing about "The Thing" was not that his hive mind was out for blood to grow an army of clones, but that he didn't for a second manifest any emotion while pursuing the task. The cool, uncaring but calculating, inhuman look in the eye you get back from staring at a reptile (reptilian?) as he sizes up whether you're too big to swallow -- that's the fearsome thing that breeds nightmares. I cringe at the thought that the film is blown off simply as "Matt Dillon cooks a carrot." It's much deeper than that, beyond Red Scare '50s paranoia. The AI/insect hypothesis makes sense; that ET has feelings toward us never has.

    By Blogger Ron, at Monday, May 23, 2016  

  • Fortunately, Ron, my plants, which I treat as thinking beings, love me...or so I believe.

    But one day that might change, for all of us.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, May 23, 2016  

  • Rich, you might also want to leave your carrots be. Just in case.

    By Blogger Ron, at Monday, May 23, 2016  

  • Yah, they do scare me a little.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, May 23, 2016  

  • The invasion has already started.

    It is Kudzu.


    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Monday, May 23, 2016  

  • You think you're kidding, Bryan, but I'm not so sure it's a laughing matter....


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, May 23, 2016  

  • The problem here is that Matt Dillon did not cook the carrot... he was the carrot.

    By Blogger KRandle, at Monday, May 23, 2016  

  • Nice catch Kevin....


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, May 23, 2016  

  • I wouldn't finger an entire _kingdom_ of life as being an extra/terrestrial threat, but one could take another page from the Flying Saucer myth and propose that ET plants are beneficent and come to enlighten us, e.g., Terrence McKenna's proposals re psilocybin mushrooms or the researches of more orthodox ethnobotanists and philologists into shamanism (the oldest religion on earth) and the Mysteries of Eleusis (c.f. The Road to Eleusis, Wasson, Hofmann, and Ruck). Oh, for the "stupor" (really?) of antiquity Plato and Aristotle shared...

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Tuesday, May 24, 2016  

  • Shamanism, really?

    Mircea Eliade, in A History of Religious Ideas, Volume 1 [Page 273 ff.], provides an exegesis of shamanism that puts it in the same category of practice as Alchemy. (Both taking us nowhere, substantially, in the advance of humanity.)

    As for the stupor of the "greats", I contend that had users of ingested hallucinogens refrained from that use, they'd have come up with even greater ideas, poetry, art, and philosophical concepts than they did.

    They muddled their thinking, not cleared their minds, by using such dopifying substances.

    Alleged ET visitors, to this point, haven't provided any enlightenment that I can see, while the enlightenment offered by human users of psilocybin mushrooms is suspect.

    (I sat in meetings with the John Sinclair and his managed band, the MC-5, who thought I was a narc, maybe, because I wouldn't smoke a joint. The meetings were shamanistic-like, Sinclair guiding the musicians through the ritual of contract requirements and concert performance, because they were stuporous, allowing him to control the group -- and its income --, much as shamans controlled tribes. It's a matter of control, as Eliade notes.)

    Those defending hallucinogenic use would do swell to read Oliver Sacks final writings on the matter. Now that's real enlightenment.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, May 24, 2016  

  • Nothing human is alien to me.

    Eliade is to be respected, but his understanding/explanation of the shaman as a pathological individual was always narrow, as is any outright denigration of Alchemy or Hermeticism. This latter did nothing to "advance" humanity (do folks still take Progress seriously?)? As a reader of Jung you know one interpretation of it, and readers of Frances Yates will know Renaissance Hermeticism was the matrix to modernity, Descartes and Bacon both being Rosicrucians! As you are probably aware, the shamanic experience and the various aspects of Hermeticism are analogous to the abductee experience or Flying Saucer Mythology in general, respectively.

    What is also of interest, if one dares to begin to look into the always-growing body of research, are at least two other correlations. 1. The postwar Flying Saucer is often associated with environmental concerns, the survival of humanity or life on earth as such, whether for the Contactees or Abductees; likewise, those who learn from Mama Ayahuasca consistently report an expanded appreciation for the same values (a good place to start is The Antipodes of the Mind: Charting the Phenomenology of the Ayahuasca Experience by Benny Shannon, a psychologist). 2. Researchers into the DMT experience (Risk Strassman has published two scholarly books) often report experiences akin to abductions, which dovetails nicely with work like that of Michael Persinger in giving an explanation of the experience with psychological, neuropsychological, and religious significance. Both these aspects open the question of the existence and nature of nonhuman intelligence, which dovetails nicely, too, with your recent concerns.

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Tuesday, May 24, 2016  

  • While it seems I'm denigrating Alchemy, I'm fond of the practice (then and now) and particularly of Meister Eckhart, Jung's go-to guy for things Hermetic.

    But, for me, the road to understanding comes by way of Freud: sexuality infuses everything, as one can plainly see today with all the attention to and sublimation of sexual urges in the arts, advertising and Saturday Night Live.

    Those urges show up in religious ecstasy and inside the abductee (experiencer) accounts.

    I eschew Persinger views -- Bruce Duensing (rest his soul) was an advocate -- because Persinger's "experiments" seem flawed to me (and others, more capable of knowing what flaws abound in his work).

    I, again, recommend Stuart Armstrong's "little tome" Smarter Than Us; The Rise of Machine Intelligence, a 54 page booklet that deals with computer or AI intelligence. The succinctness of his ideas and insights make AI matter seem paltry but his pithiness should provide edification to those who don't like arguments from authority or who hate to read scholarly works.

    Armstrong deals with creativity and other aspects of humanity vis a vis AI or "intelligent machines."

    You, Bryan, see a "holy" or sacred aspect to the inner mind of mankind, whereas I see a rampant urge of sexual energy that is sometimes sublimated for good but, more often, sublimated for aggressive, self-adorning behavior.

    And Shamans, like The Trickster character, make me sick, both being constructs that are used by "religious fanatics" to defuse the Evil aspect of the Almighty Spirit (as Klaatu called It or Him).


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, May 24, 2016  

  • Ran across this interesting paper regarding plant behavior and communication:


    If we are to take any portion of the ET/plant theory seriously, then the aspect of viable longevity during galactic voyages would hinge on the ability of seeds or pods to survive in transit.

    The above is feasible scientifically based on the above mentioned paper: "each individual plant was observed to retain memories from it's parent(s)." So with that loosely in mind, we may speculate that seeds/pods could be pre-programmed to germinate during a specific point in time during it's journey and aspects of past generational memories take control of the planned mission...what ever that may be.

    That may be all well and good, but our speculations could be hampered by the concepts of plant viability, that is, the requirements for sustaining plant life, ie, light, nutrients, water, and the normal issues of adaptability that may limit human long distance endurance regarding space travel.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Tuesday, May 24, 2016  

  • That viability, Tim, is what leads me to believe that plants would find our water,,lush planet so interesting or useful -- life-saving even.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, May 24, 2016  

  • I would agree with the notion that intelligent plant life (or any biological creature) would inherently be more intelligent than a creature that relys only on programmed behaviors.

    Although it's important to note that any intelligent plant life, like all other bilogical species, is likely to seek mainly one thing...propagation and survival of their species.

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Wednesday, May 25, 2016  

  • check out "The Happening" (2008) movie by m. night shyamalan in which the plants emit an undetectable scent that causes humans to kill and commit suicide.

    By Blogger charles tromblee, at Wednesday, May 25, 2016  

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