UFO Conjecture(s)

Tuesday, May 17, 2016

Plato anticipated The Matrix and UFOs?

I’m sure most of you are familiar with the Socratic “Cave Allegory” in Plato’s Republic.

But you might re-acquaint yourself with the material, and note that the scenario provided by Socrates via Plato gives a protracted metaphor about intellectual enlightenment that looks an awful lot like a run-down of what appears to be a computer simulation or Matrix, just not in technological terminology:

Human beings live in a den (cave), chained at the neck and legs, and they can’t turn heir heads. Behind them is a fire which casts shadows on the den/cave walls. Men move between the fire and the chained humans, carrying vessels and statues which provide the shadows on the walls. This is deemed to be reality by the chained humans.

When some of the humans are liberated, they strive towards a light at he opening of the den/cave, and arriving at the opening, they, painfully, see the Sun and real existence

Becoming acclimated to the displayed real reality, humans realize that the shadows on the walls, that contained their captivity, were an illusion. And they now must ascend into the intellectual world of reality. {Paraphrased from Philosophy Made Simple by Popkin and Stroll, Dooubleday, Garden City, NY, 1956, Pages 122-123]

Is this not what we experience now: the illusion of reality, which we strive to overcome, the simulation (Matrix)?

As for UFOs, in Plato’s doctrine of Forms or Ideas, he writes that “Forms are eternal patterns of which the objects that we see are only copies.” [Socrates to Sartre: A History of Philosophy by Samuel Enoch Stumpf, McGraw-Hill, NY, 1966/1975, Page 61]

That is, Forms “have more being than things … the real world is not the visible world but rather the intelligible world. The intelligible world is most real … because it consists of the eternal Forms.” [ibid]

UFOs are Forms, obviously, and seem, as the record shows, to be eternal; that is, present in our reality from the inception of planet Earth’s pre-historical life (those images on cave walls) and historical life (as recounted by UFO lore).

That UFOs cannot be explained, in any sensible way, they mimic Plato’s Forms and represent a reality that is above our reality, the simulated reality that we are subject to, as we are held captive in The Cave.

The Platonic dialogues are not, and could not be, technological but if we extract Plato’s ideas from them (the dialogues), we may apply his concepts to help us determine the Real Reality that eludes us at every turn.



  • Rich, the cave allegory corresponds well with the 1968 Minot UFO incident. We have numerous individuals observing a "moving" object in the distance in the night sky. At one point in time a B-52 that is flying over the area supplants itself as the "UFO" as the observers would later describe the UFO in terms of a large aircraft (loud noise, landing lights, navigation lights, shape, etc). As the aircraft returns to the base, the observed UFO also disappears per the written reports.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Tuesday, May 17, 2016  

  • Tim:

    You love that Minot case.

    It's mostly interesting to me because Blue Book provided a raft of stupid Menzelian-like explanations.

    It is, like Kimball's favorite case -- the RB-47 episode, an interesting, three-hour "incident" but what can we do with it now; that is, where can we go with the information?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, May 17, 2016  

  • The Minot case has a lot of psychological components. It displays the attributes of eye witness observations as we discussed in your last post. It happens to be the best UFO investigation conducted by Minot personnel up channeling to PBB despite errors and conclusions reached by numerous AF agencies.

    But the key to the case is understanding the psychological "interference" afflicting the observers.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Tuesday, May 17, 2016  

  • Yah.....and I thought your comment was more relevant to the Seeing things post.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, May 17, 2016  

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    By Blogger hessdalen lights, at Tuesday, May 17, 2016  

  • My father found the RB-47 incident interesting [to quote] "...because the UFO, flying sometimes at faster than the speed of sound apparently produced signals which mimicked a ground search radar. The RB47 was on an electronic warfare training mission over the south central United States when the UFO produced signals which 'appeared to be similar to those of a CPS-6 radar.'"

    He happened to have installed a CPS-6B at an experimental SAGE radar site on Cape Cod in 1960. He describes the 6B radar as requiring 6 megawatts of power and having a 30 foot antenna.

    It's things like that which makes you wonder if we are in a simulation. If this is a simulation then maybe the joke is on all of us. No one has the "high ground".

    OTOH, why would "the simulators" allow us to "discover" the charade?

    By Blogger Joel Crook, at Tuesday, May 17, 2016  

  • The R47 case hasn't been my favourite for some time now.

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Tuesday, May 17, 2016  

  • What happened?

    It had been the caviar of UFO reports for you (and others).


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, May 17, 2016  

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