UFO Conjecture(s)

Sunday, June 19, 2016

Roswell and The Golden Helmets

In reading Kevin Randle’s new Roswell book, I found a number of asides (many among the plethora of footnotes, where one usually finds insightful gems in scholarly books),

One that caught my eye was the implanted note in James Ragsdale’s account of the supposed Roswell bodies he came upon, July 4th, 1947, during a hedonistic outing with a lady friend of his:

Randle write, “Using quotes lifted from the January 26, 1993, interview with Ragsdale and conducted by Don Schmitt, McAndrew wrote: Testimony attributed to Ragsdale, who is deceased, states that he and a friend [Trudy Truelove] were camping one evening and saw something fall from the sky. The next morning, when they went to investigate, they saw a crash site.”[Page 112]

The McAndrew cited by Kevin is James McAndrew, the “author” of the Air Force’s book The Roswell Report: Case Closed [Barnes & Noble, NY, 1996, Page 1]

McAndrew included part of a Ragsdale affidavit:

“One part [of the craft] was kind of buried in the ground and one part of it was sticking our [out] of the ground.” “I’m sure that [there] was bodies… either bodies or dummies.”

Kevin goes on to explain how McAndrew’s attempt to use Ragsdale’s “dummies” identification falls flat.

Ragsdale included this in his affidavit, used by McAndrew:

“In his affidavit, Ragsdale would provide more description of the alien creatures he claimed to have seen. He said, ‘The bodies of the occupants were about four feet or less tall, which strange looking arms, legs and fingers. They were dressed in a silver type uniform and wearing a tight helmet of some type. This is positive because I tried to remove one of the helmets, but was unable to do so. Their eyes were large, oval in shape, and did not resemble anything of a human nature.’” [Page 114, Randle]

Yet later, it seems that Ragsdale elaborated on the above:

“There had been some very interesting and exciting information offered in Jim Ragsdale’s tale of seeing the object fall from the sky to the point where he had seen the bodies in the distance. Later he would claim there were sixteen of them wearing helmets made of solid gold which is a tip off. Gold is a soft, heavy metal that is unsuited for helmet. The Air Force would use his descriptions of the bodies as a way to prove their anthropomorphic dummies theory, never realizing that if Ragsdale was making up his tale, then their explanation failed at that point.” [Page 197, Randle, bold print mine]

Now there’s the interesting item: “helmets made of solid gold.”

Ragdale said he buried the helmets he recovered but couldn’t find them when he went back to retrieve the things.

Ragsdale was an uncouth man, a truck driver inclined to partying and frivolity. You can read more about him via these links:

But what caused him to claim the alleged bodies he found were crowned with “solid gold helmets”?

Gold helmets figure in some mythologies:

The Tarnhelm, a gold helmet giving the wearer the ability to change form or become invisible. used by Alberich in Wagner’s Der Ring des Nibelungen:

And in this famous painting by Rembrandt:
Ragsdale wouldn’t know, I surmise, the mythological tales and very likely never saw the Rembrandt painting.

So, why the fabricated reference by him?

Wouldn’t a common man “find bodies” with military-like helmets, popular in movies, comics, and seen in many newsreels of World War II soldiers?

Why gold?

I find the observation and inclusion of such an arcane item to be fascinating.

(Ancient Astronaut theorists could make much of this I bet.)

Ragsdale’s Roswell attributions are bogus, seemingly, but precious in some odd way.



  • It's a bit hard to believe Rasdale knew anything about ancient mythology. He just doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who would have interest in such things.

    His description of "golden helmets" may have been influenced by his awareness of US Naval flight helmets from the late 1940's and 1950's.

    The H-1, introduced in 1948 and made by General Textile Corporation (Now GENTEX) was the first US NAVY standard hard flight helmet for fighter aircraft. The H-1 has a characteristic and unique curved shape at the rear.

    During this period Naval aviation helmets were always painted gold as standard regulations required.

    In other words, he got his idea from the gold US Naval helmets either from that very time period or later in the 1980's from reading about them.

    Golden helmets are one thing, but he would have lost any credibility with me when he referenced "Trudy Truelove".....how ridiculous.

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Monday, June 20, 2016  

  • Re McAndrew's Report, I recall Phil Klass, who did not accept its findings, saying that the USAF was very reluctant to claim that any Roswell witness, such as Ragsdale, was lying. They simply did not want to say anything that might imply this, hence McAndrew deliberately wrote his report (maybe on instruction from above) avoiding any hint of falsehood on the part of witnesses. Thus the stretched explanation of the 'anthromorphic dummies'.

    The only reason this second AF report was issued was because certain ufologists had complained about the absence of any mention of 'bodies' in their first report. This was viewed as a glaring omission on their part. I presume McAndrew realised Ragsdale was telling porkies but had to avoid saying so in his official report.

    By Blogger cda, at Monday, June 20, 2016  

  • When was this statement made?


    The gold color is a glass "mirror" treatment [think of it as 'aviator glasses for astronauts']

    Of course if you want ancient Sumerians...

    Ragsdale's statement was a missed opportunity for getting actual facts [or finding flaws]. As it is, it is nothing more than a 'made up' story. Why didn't anybody ask the "details" of the helmet? [texture?, was there webbing or other internal features? Thickness?, weight? Smell?]. Just going by the statement presented I'd say it was just one of those "tall tales of the Southwest" usually delivered in a bar while drinking an ice cold beer after a hot dry day as told by a man who wanted to tell a good tale.

    Ragsdale sounds like one of the "roust-about" characters that appear in the beginning of Louis L'amour's "Haunted Mesa"

    Is this UFO Religion mixed with Pueblo / Hopi Myth? -- Aliens wearing golden Kachina "helmets" who have escaped into this world via the Sipapu in the bottom of the Kiva floor [see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiva ]. The Kiva is the traditional "Medicine Lodge" of the Hopi / Pueblo Native Americans of the Southwestern US.

    The Sipapu was a hole or indentation in the Kiva floor. "The Hopi Sacred Stories explain that this is the hole in which the first peoples of this world entered. As 'They' stepped outside of the 'Sipapu', they morphed from lizard-like beings into homo sapiens, or human form" See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sipapu

    Don't you just love David Icke? I think I prefer Louis L'Amour and the original native myths.

    By Blogger Joel Crook, at Monday, June 20, 2016  

  • Brian -

    This is the same nonsense raised by Jim Mosley two decades ago. I used a CD ROM white pages and found more than 750 families named Truelove including the one from Carlsbad, NM, where Trudy lived. I learned that she had not died in a traffic accident. That had been her sister. And for Mosley, I pointed out that one of the listings I found was for a Rockland Truelove. I mentioned that the road to Truelove was Rocky. You have to check out the leads.

    CDA -

    According to the information I have, and I got this from Richard Weaver, McAndrew didn't like have the tales of alien bodies out there, so he, with a mixed blessings, did some research into the tale of alien bodies. His research was flawed because he used the Ragsdale story to support the idea of anthropomorphic dummies. He didn't need to label Ragsdale a liar... all he had to do was not mention it at all. That he did points to the flaw in his research because you can't use a lie to support a theory.

    Joel -

    By the time the golden helmets story arrived, and it wasn't gold plated or gold colored, but solid gold worth a fortune, I already knew that Ragsdale was not a viable source. He son offered me one of the helmets for $5000.00 and he would show me where everything was hidden. There was no point in following the lead any further. I already knew the answers.

    By Blogger KRandle, at Monday, June 20, 2016  

  • Kevin:

    You didn't follow up with Ragsdale's son, and go to see the alleged treasure trove?

    Oh my. You could have retired back then, sitting on a pile of money from the sale of a gold helmet.

    (You know, some crazy people are occasionally right, and liars sometimes tell he truth.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, June 20, 2016  

  • Well thanks for the clarification on Truelove Kevin, although I half expected another character could've shown up called "Susie Sweetlips".

    As it stands we already had a "Naomi Selff".

    Baffling these names....

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Monday, June 20, 2016  

  • Assuming McAndrews is an intelligent man, one has to ponder why he would make such an obvious and glaring mistake which seems to be intentional rather than truly an error.

    I've never really liked the USAF reports. They just seem to have been done rather sloppy. From unrelated photographs inserted in the pages, to the reference of anthropomorphic dummies which didn't appear in that area until the early 1950s, it makes you wonder what kind of quality was really put into this evaluation.

    Yes wooden dummies were used prior to 1952, but none were in that area until much later.

    If McAndrews didn't like the story about bodies floating around amidst the claims, he obviously avoided doing anything with it in the first report.

    But again you have to wonder why he didn't deal with it then, or did he just think ufologists were ignorant, uneducated, and not aware of historical facts having already put some research into it?

    It just seems odd that the guy would go to the effort of producing yet a second report (on behalf of the USAF) using a story which he probably knew wasn't correct, just to come up with some reason to address the bodies issue post his initial report.

    I have to wonder if McAndrews and his investigative team really took this report and investigation seriously, or just grudgingly followed orders to investigate something they had no real interest in.

    These kinds of mistakes are so blatantly obvious that you just have to wonder why McAndrews and team did such a poor job of it.

    To me it doesn't smack of coverup, but poor research. And just how much did the Tax Payer get charged I wonder....?

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Monday, June 20, 2016  

  • Rich -

    And sometimes you have information that makes the follow up unnecessary... if there was no truth to Ragsdale's first version of events, or his second, why would his son's be any different... besides, I am retired because I have all the gold helmets, not just the one offered.

    By Blogger KRandle, at Monday, June 20, 2016  

  • I thought, Kevin, you might have a Golden Parachute, but I'm pleased to know you got your hands on those golden helmets.

    We expect a profile photo of you wearing one.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, June 20, 2016  

  • Brian:

    The first (1994) report was written by Richard Weaver, the second (1997) by James McAndrew. Whether they overlapped their research and writings I do not know, but the point is that the second report was only done because of complaints arising out of the lack of mention of 'bodies' in the first. It was done to complete, or to try and complete, the Roswell 'legend' as seen by the ufological brigade and the public at large.

    It probably would have been far better if the AF had not bothered with the second one at all.

    I don't know if either Weaver or McAndrew had much of an "investigating team" as you put it. It was all done at the instigation of congressman Steve Schiff, through the AF HQ, or so I believe.

    By Blogger cda, at Monday, June 20, 2016  

  • Brian -

    As usual you have substituted your opinion for the fact. There was no investigative team. McAndrew believed the job unfinished because they had not dealt with the tales of the bodies. He grabbed the Ragsdale testimony because Ragsdale had used the term "dummies" when attempting to described what he saw (or what I should say is claimed he saw). That fit with the anthropomorphic dummies he was trotting out to explain these tales so his concern was not whether the testimony was true, only that he had said, "dummies."

    I talked to him, McAndrew, four or five times during the alleged investigation and it was clear to me what he wanted and it was proof there had been no crash. He wasn't interested in what some of the witnesses had said, especially those of high military rank, colonels and generals. I offered copies of the taped interviews so that he could hear what they had to say, but then he didn't want to call a general officer a liar, so he ignored that testimony completely.

    What he did do was edit affidavits so that witness testimony suggested something other than what was actually said, avoided those witnesses of high military rank, and grabbed onto Ragsdale because of the term, but before he published his results, the truth about Ragsdale was known. It wasn't sloppy research so much as propaganda.

    By Blogger KRandle, at Monday, June 20, 2016  

  • Yes I thought that Weaver was somehow connected with McAndrews (as in supportive research efforts) but I may be incorrect. Maybe the reports were done separately, but that makes no sense either.

    I do agree that the second report should have never been attempted and published.

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Monday, June 20, 2016  

  • Brian -

    The first, fat report was written by Weaver and McAndrew, which is explained in that report. Weaver was a Colonel, and McAndrew a First Lieutenant, so clearly Weaver was the main guy. The second report was done by McAndrew. Weaver was not a part of it.

    By Blogger KRandle, at Monday, June 20, 2016  

  • Flash Gordon (1980) https://johnkennethmuir.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/flashgordon2.jpg

    By Blogger theo paijmans, at Tuesday, June 21, 2016  

  • It is not so absurd if we place ourselves on the side of Jacques Vallée, or theory about the involvement of the conscience of the witness, or the collective consciousness of humanity, as Teilhard de Chardin, or an extraterrestrial source who would handle our myths, our memories, our unconscious fears and buried for camouflage. Or, more radical, that human collective consciousness, would produce "physical objects" like angels, ships in the sky, ghosts, evil characters etc...The RR3 are often absurd, as Skyships of 1890, or the Roman flying galleys , or the witnesses who see beings wearing capes and leather aviator helmets. The physical information proposes that consciousness produce reality. UFO is a symptom, physical as a psychosomatic illness, whose strange and confusing symptoms would be the tip of a deeper problem of the patient. This may explain the fact that the US military does not understand why the vehicle wrecks do not have any engines, why wear helmets entities found in gold, why they have no digestives tracts, so probably that the army US doesn't understand at all UFOs. Or conversely, she understands what it means and that it considers this "transcendent" truth can not be communicated to the population. How explained that all mankind has a collective unconscious that produces real objects, absurd for us to say things, like a little voice in your ear? As if our reality was more incredible than what we think.

    By Blogger Peekaboo Boo, at Wednesday, June 22, 2016  

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