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Tuesday, August 30, 2016
Isn't Seth one of the many scientists who disparage the idea that detection of "alien" signals could be hidden from the public in a real-life scenario? So much for protocols, and his theory in general.
By Ron, at Tuesday, August 30, 2016
I don't think Seth Shostak, Ron, is a closet (or overt) censorship (suppression) aficionado.RR
By RRRGroup, at Tuesday, August 30, 2016
He was circumspect in his quoted comments about the delay in reporting, but his displeasure was palpable. A chink in scientific candor's armor, for sure.
Yes, he was irked that the Russians held on to the "news" for a year or more.I understand his feelings. After all, he'd like his team to glom on to such a "discovery" and waiting a year, if the signal was real, would be devastating, as such a signal, like the infamous "Wow" signal, would be ephemeral if a broadcast signal, yes?RR
I doubt he's worried about losing a place in history: a less than optimum antenna setup, and who knows if the Russians have followed protocol on anything else related to obtaining their data. What's potentially more interesting pertains to the "Wow" signal itself. The most recent theory has it that the signal may have come from transiting comets and their emissions. The comets had only been discovered and tracked recently, but backtracking puts them in the same arc of space as the signal's origin. They'll be returning to the same patch of sky next year and there will be plenty of astronomers tuned in to listen. So there may be a solution to one mystery signal forthcoming.
My problem (with SETI) and alien radio signals is that an alien civilization would have to evolved (broadcasting) technology just as we have, and be thinking as we do also; that is, they assume that there are other sentient beings out there (in the cosmos) awaiting a signal from other sentient beings.I don't reprove the possibility but it's a Sci-Fi stretch (for me).RR
I agree. SETI was only viable because it was the simplest and easiest way we knew to hunt for ET's signature. It certainly looked good to Drake and Sagan back then. Neutrinos or fast bursts might have made more sense in looking for advanced races, but we knew little or nothing about them and couldn't reproduce them even if. As well, scientists could barely procure funding for a radio search during the Proxmire years. Ironic that Proxmire's attempts to shut down the search makes some sense, not because it's "crazy" but because, like Hawking says, we may not be happy with what we find. But now that the horse has already left the barn, they want to start the debate about that.
My feeling, like that about trying to decipher the Ramey memo, is what's the harm (in a SETI search program)?Sure it costs money but this country (the U.S.) throws money at lots of crazy projects. SETI is no worse than many (or most) of those.I think it's propitious in some way (maybe many ways).If it catches the attention of a barbaric civilization, that civilization can do little more harm than God has done to Hawking (and other humans).I'm not a SETI buff, but it's okay with me (obviously).RR
I posted the same article, on Yahoo, on my blog yesterday as well.What is interesting to me, and somewhat suspect, is that the frequency was pretty much in an area heavily used for military communications. Could this have been a "bounced" signal from a military satellite?Interesting article, but 95 light years away? A tad bit too far for us.
By Tim Hebert, at Tuesday, August 30, 2016
HD 164595:Yes, well nothing really new here. The signal the Russians first discovered in 2015 has come up empty, and even the Russians think it's of terrestrial origin. So does Drake's granddaughter:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/08/seti-signal-sun-like-star-hercules-aliens-life-space-science/So why did they wait till August 2016 to cover this?As Tim stated, very likely a military communications signal say analysts.
By Brian Bell, at Wednesday, August 31, 2016
Brian/TimSome comments in my Facebook feeds, from Physics/Astronomy sites, still have an open mind on the signal, not closing the door to it being a sentient emission.RR
By RRRGroup, at Wednesday, August 31, 2016
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