UFO Conjecture(s)

Saturday, September 03, 2016

UFOs and the Nuclear Option

Some UFO buffs think that extraterrestrials are reconnoitering our Earth because they’ve detected nuclear tests, atomic bombings, and are concerned about Earthlings spreading that dangerous activity in the cosmos, undermining advanced civilizations.

Here’s the Earth, at the edge of our Galaxy.
Would an atomic test or explosion register, amidst the cacophony of other interstellar explosions of a natural kind, and would such an “insignificant” event (or many of them) catch the attention of alien civilizations far, far away, in the cosmos?

It’s an absurdity, on the face of it.

The thinking is medieval: we are not the center of the solar system, let along an important planet in the great scheme of the universe (or even our own Milky Way galaxy).

Enough of such ignorance.

RR 

13 Comments:

  • Didn't Adamski's Venusian and Saturnian visitors & Allingham's Martian visitor say this very thing? Other contactees have received very similar messages from their interplanetary contacts. I find it hard to believe all these ETs were telling lies.

    By Blogger cda, at Saturday, September 03, 2016  

  • No matter how smart and creative we are, we cannot imagine things that don't have an Earthly context. We can only speak the language of things we know.

    The nuclear topic was taken seriously by NICAP and others went a little further. Do you remember reading about Geiger counters being taken to 'landing sites?' No clicks; no spaceship. Clicks and, yup, must have been a spacecraft parked here. They were recommended kit by NICAP iirc.

    It's like nobody acknowledged the extraordinary leap of faith it took to allocate both the technology and the energy source to something we've never proven to exist. Likewise, wasn't it terribly simplistic and naive to project the best tech we have upon something the ETH inherently qualified as 'advanced.' Barring Clarke's Law, it seems most proponents lacked the imagination to consider how an advanced civilisation might be three parts inconceivable to us.

    It's things like that which cause me to be so circumspect. As soon as people start making assertions they are proven wrong and later generations recognise their heart-warming naivete.

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Sunday, September 04, 2016  

  • RR wrote: “Some UFO buffs think that extraterrestrials are reconnoitering our Earth because they’ve detected nuclear tests, atomic bombings, and are concerned about Earthlings spreading that dangerous activity in the cosmos, undermining advanced civilizations. Would an atomic test or explosion register, amidst the cacophony of other interstellar explosions of a natural kind, and would such an ‘insignificant’ event (or many of them) catch the attention of alien civilizations far, far away, in the cosmos?”

    You and the buffs are supposing that one or more advanced ET races were not already operating here on Earth—probably an unwarranted assumption in light of the Foo Fighter phenomenon evident during 1943-44, prior to the first atomic test and the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    Moreover, given the on-camera testimony of former U.S. Navy fighter pilot Clarence “Bud” Clem and the substantiating revelations found in declassified Fourth [Army] Air Force files, it appears that the Hanford plutonium production site, in Washington State, was closely monitored by UFOs on at least three occasions in January 1945—some six months before the first atomic bomb test in New Mexico on July 16th. Hence “they” were clearly interested in America’s atomic weapons program well before the first detonations’ blast waves and radiation were detectable in the atmosphere. The Clem interview video and relevant documents are available at:

    http://www.ufohastings.com/articles/former-us-navy-pilot-says-huge-fireball-maneuvered-above-the-hanford-atomic-plant

    Other declassified FBI, CIA and USAF documents (obviously not written by buffs) substantiate the notion that those operating the UFOs continued to scrutinize America’s development of atomic and thermonuclear weapons from the late 1940s to at least the mid-1970s. To review a cross-section of those authenticated files go to:

    http://www.ufohastings.com/documents

    Finally, my latest article re: my now-released documentary film, UFOs and Nukes: The Secret Link Revealed, in which I wonder why none of the most prominent debunkers have yet critiqued it, may be read at:

    http://www.theufochronicles.com/2016/09/my-ufos-and-nukes-documentary-debunkers.html

    --Robert Hastings

    By Blogger Robert Hastings, at Sunday, September 04, 2016  

  • Robert:

    My point is that ETS are not reconnoitering, not that UFOS aren't.

    I will have a follow-up in a day or so

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, September 04, 2016  

  • Rich, that's a distinction without a real difference. If UFO monitering of our atomic energy science in the early 1940s is a valid hypothesis,then it makes precious little difference whether there are actual ETs or not; or whether we are that little insigficant dot on your map of the galaxy. Something off of the Earth is interested in advanced technology on the Earth. Case closed.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Sunday, September 04, 2016  

  • Dominick:

    I'm thinking more along the lines of time-travelers, UFOS from next door -- another dimension or a multiverse that abuts ours.

    Those would be affected by an atomic blast, moreso that an alien civilization far, far away.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, September 04, 2016  

  • This is evidence that whatever the UFO phenomenon is, it is Earth based. If we set off every single nuke and sterilized this planet, it wouldn't make a bit of difference to another solar system. Are we bothered by supernova radiation? If you are a chicken farmer with thousands of chickens, and you discover that a few of them have discovered a way to wholesale slaughter the rest, this must be stopped. The chickens must be convinced that life is safe and wonderful in the coop! And if the vast majority don't even believe that there is a coop, so much the better. They will label the few that can see the truth as crackpots! The only way out is through, onward through the fog!

    By Blogger esp.philbrook, at Monday, September 05, 2016  

  • RR,

    UFOs being from "here"certainly makes more sense. As we have come to know that our other planets are inhospitable and the nearest extrasolar planets light years away it seems the a reasonable conclusion. Linear travel or contact seems unlikely or unproductive in terms our lifespan perspectives.

    Having said all that, time or dimensional travel could also imply a faster than light travel that would change the continuum. Bottom line if there is a new physics it could change things significantly and there is evidence that that is possible.

    BD

    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Monday, September 05, 2016  

  • All,

    Actually, the Earth-based UFO scenario does not make sense if one looks at the overall database. For example, the thousands of entity-sightings worldwide since the 1940s (specifically encounters not involving hypnotic recall) strongly suggest visitations by a number of distinctly different alien races, based on the reported morphologies observed. Some of them look human, some insectoid, some are three-feet-tall, others seven-feet-tall. If even a small percentage of those sightings have merit, then one or more of the off-the-Earth scenarios are far more likely.

    When I published my book UFOs and Nukes in 2008, there were more than a hundred peer-reviewed articles in scientific journals concerning faster-than-light travel. I spoke with a dozen physicists and mathematicians--who authored such articles--and found that the idea of alien visitation is now considered very possible indeed by a growing number of academic theorists. Granted, no empirical evidence is yet available to support the FTL travel concept but the once-strongly-held anti-ET-visitors outlook among physicists is under serious challenge.

    Among those experts I contacted, hyperspace is judged to be the key. That is, the existence of a "matrix" of higher dimensional space within which spacetime--our universe--exists. None of them believe that warp drive--permitting FTL travel within spacetime--is feasible. On the other hand, if hyperspace exists and advanced races have developed technology to traverse it, then it is possible to literally cross the galaxy in a matter of hours--leaving spacetime at the point of origin, entering hyperspace wherein travel at multiples of lightspeed is possible, before reentering spacetime at some distant point.

    Again, these are academic scholars who are proposing these ideas, not crystal-rubbing New Agers. And those skeptics who claim that scientists reject the notion of alien visitation have simply not kept up with the literature.

    As regards UFOs, I say, figuratively-speaking, "All of the above". Why can't the observed phenomena be explained by an array of ET visitors, interdimensional beings, time-travelers and other as-yet unknown cosmic manifestations. As Kandinsky wrote in his post, those who say "It's not possible" almost always end up with egg on their faces at some future time.

    --Robert Hastings









    By Blogger Robert Hastings, at Monday, September 05, 2016  

  • Interesting posts. However, given we are just now beginning to discover habitable exo-planets it makes sense we are not alone in this section of space. Also, it makes sense that super civilizations would keep tabs on the more primitive locals and not interfere as our own history demonstrates what can happen. It's an indisputable fact that we have UAPs flying thru our airspace and around our near planetary space. However, what is less clear is that it might be a natural phenomena of which we have knowledge of yet. We should withhold judgement until we have more facts and attempt to gain more information.

    By Blogger Larry Lesh, at Monday, September 05, 2016  

  • Robert -

    So if these aliens were so interested in our nuclear capability, why did they stop observing missle sites in the mid 1970's?

    Isn't it more likely that we (humans) were observing each other's nuclear missle sites as part of Cold War intelligence?

    The scientists you reference do agree that space-time theoretically can be altered through massive electro gravitic energy which alters gravity and causes more or less a "warp bubble".

    Personally I think we've done it - as some claim we did so by the early 1950's.

    Friedman, and others, are on record for claiming the reason aliens came here is because they were concerned we earthlings would weaponize space with nuclear bombs which threaten the galaxy.

    This is obsurd given that various stellar and gallactic phenomenon are many times more powerful than human engineered nuclear bombs.

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Wednesday, September 07, 2016  

  • Brian wrote: So if these aliens were so interested in our nuclear capability, why did they stop observing missle sites in the mid 1970's?

    You misunderstand the situation. The available UFO-related documents fizzle out in the late 1970s, when President Carter--a pro-FOIA advocate--left office. Thereafter, Reagan and his successors began to encourage congressional legislation and a general attitude of resistance among government departments and agencies meant to limit most releases of documents, on a variety of subjects, to the public.

    Regardless, the UFO incidents at the missile sites continued unabated, according to my many ex-USAF sources, even to the present day. For example:

    http://www.ufohastings.com/articles/huge-ufo-sighted-near-nuclear-missiles-during-october-2010-launch-system-disruption

    Re: warp drive, yes, the theorists agree that FTL travel within spacetime is possible, but is fraught with many obstacles. Therefore, among the academics who I contacted, the unanimous belief is that advanced races are aware of hyperspace and use it as a cosmic highway to facilitate interplanetary travel within spacetime, by temporarily leaving spacetime, in the manner I previously outlined.

    By Blogger Robert Hastings, at Thursday, September 08, 2016  

  • Who are these "academics"? What are their qualifications? What evidence do they have that "hyperspace" even exists?

    By Blogger Tim Printy, at Friday, September 09, 2016  

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