UFO Conjectures

Sunday, October 23, 2016

The Socorro Symbol, bogus or real, can only be human originated

My latest book purchase, A History of Writing: From hieroglyph to multimedia, Edited by Anne-Marie Christin [Flammarion, 2001] contains hundreds of examples of human script, from Paleolithic humans to modern day writers.

And within those examples are “letters” or symbols that mimic the Socorro inverted V with lines through it and the arc over an arrow (lesser of those however).

I’m providing them below, in their full scan, which will show up when you place your mouse or finger over the image (and click/tap it).

My contention has always been that an extraterrestrial writing would be so foreign to us that we would not, could not, recognize it as the script of aliens from an advanced, outer space civilization.

A History of Writing provides the evolutionary paths to various human writings, and while some are so exotic as to seem alien, they are connected by root connections to their time, locales, and history. They evolve, uniquely, by way of their human placement on this planet.

The writing is not mathematical in any sense, so those plugging the idea that mathematics are a sine qua non within the Universe are out of luck.

Someone on Earth created the Socorro insignia/symbol. Matt Gilleece showed us several years ago that one of the symbols re-imagines the logo on one of Howard Hughes’ business cards (not the inverted V).

No matter which symbol turns out to be the actual symbol Officer Zamora saw and drew, both had to come from human hands.

Here are examples from the book cited above. Some have markings that are similar to the Socorro insignia (the Indus script for example) but my point is that Earth’s writing will account for the insignia (even for the symbol that turns out to be the real symbol), whereas an alien script, if there is such a thing, would, in no way, be similar to what are products of writing by human beings:

Sumerian tablet of King Shugli, 2100 B.C.:
From the Chinese period 781-771 B.C.:
Calligraphy of Chinese Emperor Huizong 1082-1135 A.D.:
The Sanskrit Nagari “urban” script that emerged in 900 A.D.:
A seal from the Indus Valley, circa 1600 B.C.:
Writing in a picture [Symbols on an object], 17th Century A.D.:
Shangshu [Far East], 240-248 A.D.:
Vase engraving from Malia, Crete, Circa 1800 B.C.:
Mosaic from the Temple of Hermes, Greece, 189 A.D.:
A created script (outside the evolutionary cycle) for African trade, 19th Century A.D.:
Egyptian, Second Millennium B.C.:


  • '[...]whereas an alien script, if there is such a thing, would, in no way, be similar to what are products of writing by human beings[...]'

    I'm not so sure. An 'alien script' is still a script and would be based on lines, curves and circles. What else could be used in a script to convey meaning? Hieroglyphics?

    Then there's the concept of nation signage, like hammer and sickle, which aims to project power through something quite minimalistic. Perhaps 'aliens' would be as likely to tag and flag their vessels and property as we are? Who knows?

    I'm not trying to make a case, one way or another, about the provenance of the reported Socorro symbol/logo/writing. One thing we can assert (with some confidence) is that many terrestrial aerospace companies, air forces etc have chosen deltas to represent flight, ambition and progress. That alone supports your argument in terms of probability.

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Sunday, October 23, 2016  

  • Kandinsky, buddy...

    I can't imagine an advanced alien civilization even being saddled by script or writing processes, having, theoretically evolved to a point further along that us, where writing is losing out to digital or etherial communication....video for example or mind-to-mind interaction.

    Writing (and symbolic agents) are so primitive.

    In the context of UFO sightings where a "craft" is clearly seen, there are no -- except for fraudulent cases (UMMO comes to mind) -- have a symbol been seen or one is displayed.

    I've placed, online years ago, the alleged symbols seen in sightings of flying saucers. Each was troublesome and tied to the recorded examples of Earthian writing, like that presented here from the Writing book.

    Nope.....an alien species would not have, in my estimation, anything akin to what we call script or signage. That would be a hugely improbable co-incidence.

    And my point here was to show that the supposed insignia seen and drawn by Officer Zamora has too many characteristics like those presented above to be anything but a human endeavor, whether suggested by the military (obviously human) or created by the agency responsible for the egg-shaped craft (like Howard Hughes Toolco or Aviation enterprises).


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, October 23, 2016  

  • And why a need for landing lights, etc.? (Unless it's somehow powerplant related.) That's always suggested terrestrial to me.

    By Blogger Ron, at Sunday, October 23, 2016  

  • The Polish author of the novel Solaris, Stanislaw Lem, stated that the point of the novel was that if we ever encounter an alien intelligence, we will have no idea what it is doing or why. (The Russian movie Solaris captures this quite well; the Hollywood version, which bears no resemblance to the novel, does not.)

    Apart from the symbol itself, what are the odds alien craft would have identifying symbols on the side, just like earthly craft?

    I know the Lunar Excursion Module explanation for Socorro has been rejected, but: LEM development was well underway when the sighting occurred; large-scale mock-ups had been made; some of the original designs looked uncannily like what Zamora reported; the propulsion system was being tested at White Sands; photos from the era show NASA employees in white coveralls standing beside the mock-ups; and the Apollo project symbol might reasonably be described as an inverted V. Given all this, is it more likely a blue-flame-spewing egg-shaped craft with an inverted V on the side was flying (at a low-level at 120 mph) outside Socorro, New Mexico or that Zamora witnessed something connected with the LEM program?

    By Blogger Lance Payette, at Tuesday, October 25, 2016  

  • I would suggest that you brush up on Bayes' Theorem. There is not a 0% probability for it being alien -- but it may be pretty close. Regardless, even if it is only 0.01% likely to come from aliens rather than humans, Bayes gives us a way to calculate probability/induction from that knowledge. Improbable events happen quite often in spaces as large as the universe.

    By Blogger Shane Johns, at Wednesday, October 26, 2016  

  • Bayes Theorem, like the Null Hypothesis, leaves me cold Shane.

    Both merely becloud the issue.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, October 26, 2016  

  • Some one wrote "Writing (and symbolic agents) are so primitive." (yes wrote using letters making words to form a sentence) apparently with no irony. However they neglect to mention that the code used to create this Web page, the computer language that makes the internet and modern communication a reality is entirely symbolic. So primitive it may be but by god the things you can with symbols.

    By Blogger Shamus, at Thursday, October 27, 2016  

  • Actually, Lance P, as I've reported here and elsewhere, the Bell Lunar Lander Research Vehicle was powered by a preexisting General Electric jet engine and the first two were delivered to NASA at Edwards AFB in the same month as Zamora's White Sands-adjacent experience.

    The 1963 free-flying Bell prototype lander would be the very best fit for Zamora's description in my opinion, with the LLRV--which like the prototype, was fitted with a Bell Lexan canopy in one early edition--coming in a close second. And both sported the familiar NASA logo with a red argent.

    The problem is that, though Bell was operating at White Sands, there's no evidence that either was ever at White Sands, much less flying on the day of Zamora's frightening experience.

    What was flying on that day and specifically at the northern extent of White Sands was the similar Hughes Lunar Surveyor test vehicle attached to the side of a helicopter.

    This configuration has all of the same basic components though rearranged, and with a little imagination one might see how this odd horizontally oriented configuration would appear like one thing from one angle at a distance, and something other from a different angle and up close and roaring into the air and flying off.

    So maybe this third very earthly possibility is really the most plausible of all.

    It's important to remember of course that Zamora's report--a dream-like narrative creation--was that of a thoroughly shaken man who had no idea what he had witnessed from beginning to end.

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Thursday, October 27, 2016  

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