UFO Conjectures

Monday, November 28, 2016

Ancient Astronaut Theorists and their “Sky Gods”

Ancient Astronaut “theorists” continually offer the idea that ancient man referred to gods coming from the sky, implying that such “gods” were aliens (extraterrestrials) visiting Earth/

But a review of such books, as those pictured above, especially that of the great academic Mircea Eliade, indicates that early mankind’s gods were anthropomorphized from things Earthly, not from alleged visitors from outer space – the sky.
Mircea Eliade via Wikipedia HERE

From Professor Eliade’s three-volume History of Religious Ideas [University of Chicago Press, 1978]:

During the “Neolithic Revolution [9000-7000 B.C.], primitive mankind thought "food plants [were] sacred." [Page 39]

“Certain texts describe the perfection and bliss of the ‘beginnings’: ‘the ancient days when each thing was created perfect,’  … the true Paradise [from which the gods come] seems to be Dilmun, a country [sic] in which neither illness or death exists.” [Page 58]

In Section 51: Page 156 Professor Eliade  presents the confrontation between the gods Baal and Mot, Mot being the personification  of Death. Baal’s messengers “find Mot seated on his throne in the mud, in a region covered with ordure [dung].”

Hardly an alien being.

In The Encyclopedia of Gods by Michael Jordan, not the basketball star [Facts on File, Inc., 1993] one can find in its 337 pages a plethora of divinities from places such as the seas [Poseidon, Page 207], the mountains [O-Yama-Tsu-Mi, page 197], underworld [Dis Pater, page 67], husbandry and crops [Liber, page 146], et al. None from outer space and few from the sky.

In the classic work Man and His Gods by Homer W. Smith Grosset’s Universal Library, NY, 1952-1957] one reads “In all the speculations of the physiologoi, the gods were dismissed as no more than barbaric superstitions, or at best literary and poetic images.” [Page 145]

And worship of the phallus (covered here a few months back) played heavily in the adoration and worship of the gods, and we all know that ETs don’t have genitalia.

The emphasis on “gods from the sky” by AA theorists overlooks or underplays the reality of where early man got his ideas of the divine entities that we read as gods.

If the idea of god(s) did not come from the sky, Ancient Astronaut believers’ premise for their whole speculation – that alien entities established or worked with humankind in the early ages of humanity – is based upon a falsehood or ignorance of what we know about how primitive men and women thought of divinity.

RR

16 Comments:

  • ``It has been asked, “Didn’t Plutarch discuss the theory of Euhemerus that all such tales are the mythification of past kings into current gods,” and therefore attest that “Euhemerus thought that earthly kings were the basis for mythical gods”? Not exactly. In On Isis and Osiris Plutarch surveys several competing theories as to who Isis and Osiris were or are, and in turn he describes each one and then rejects it, until he gets around to saying he supports the demonological theory (that they were never on earth but always celestial deities who began as lower ranking sky spirits later elevated to full godhood by their deeds).``

    http://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/8161

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Monday, November 28, 2016  

  • This is the kind of narrow foolishness that gives AA theorists input for their deranged nonsense.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, November 28, 2016  

  • Narrow foolishness, huh? Perhaps you should read the entire page.

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Monday, November 28, 2016  

  • I'm not chiding the link but the insert of Plutarch's comments, which AA believers will grab and use, out of context, to make their "case."

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, November 28, 2016  

  • Then perhaps they should read this (from the same link above) before making their 'case':

    "Notably, however, Plutarch does think euhemerizing is respectable: he explains in detail that the priests of Osiris, who in fact teach the demonological theory to initiates of sufficient rank (the in-group—and we must remember he wrote this book for a high ranking priestess of the cult), created the euhemerized story and sold it to the uninitiated masses (the out-group) to hide the cosmic truths within a system of allegories, all to help keep the public from learning the sacred mysteries without adequate preparation and dedication. I point out in OHJ (Element 14) that the Jewish theologian Philo had even adopted this idea to explain parts of the Old Testament he didn’t like to take literally. Paul did as well (Gal. 4:24). And the Christian theologian Origen fully approved of it, especially the part about duping lower ranking members of the church with fake histories presented literally but secretly intended allegorically."

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Monday, November 28, 2016  

  • I'm taking a gestaltian pass at the AA problem.

    By introducing a narrowed perspective, as interesting as it may be, abets the AA nonsense.

    You think, Parakletos, that AA types (and UFO buffs) are intellectually discerning. They aren't.

    Such entrenched advocates of the ET belief will twist and turn the most diminutive scintilla that abuts their views to make a case.

    One has to be cautious when offering tidbits in ufological venues.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, November 28, 2016  

  • Talking of Ancient times, we would like to know, how on earth, did the Ancient ones, hew a "GIGANTIC STONE" Weighing some 1200 tons.Huge! People are dwarfed, standing next to this monstrosity, in or near;.."Baalbek in Lebanon"..It has been pointed out, that our technology today, would have big problems, lifting this huge, elongated, squarely cut stone, let-alone moving it from Quarry, to its present site near Baalbek in Lebanon, and there is more than one!? MANY!!..And then there is;..Pumapunku,some 14000yrs.oldest City, 12,800ft. up in the Andes, Bolivia..All with huge cut stones weighing many tones.How were they cut, & with what tools? How were they lifted,and put into place? not by man,I believe.

    1200tons.Lifted & placed on other slabs of rock about the same weight.I think the Ancient ones had help, from you know where!?......................

    By Blogger Daniel Yang-Clark, at Monday, November 28, 2016  

  • But not necessarily extraterrestrials, Daniel....actually highly unlikely, in the AA definition of aliens.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, November 28, 2016  

  • ``Some, Indeed, (who are) in dwellings and in chariots, being in ineffable glory and not able to be sent into any creature, provided for themselves hosts of angels, myriads without number for retinue and glory, even virgin spirits, the ineffable lights. They have no sickness nor weakness, but it is only will: it comes to be in an instant. Thus were completed the aeons with their heavens and firmaments for the glory of Immortal Man and Sophia, his consort: the area which every aeon and their worlds and those that came afterward, in order to provide the types from there, their likenesses in the heavens of chaos and their worlds.``

    From 'Eugnostos the Blessed'
    Translated by Douglas M. Parrott
    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/eugnostos.html

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Tuesday, November 29, 2016  

  • Daniel,

    ``The obelisk's creators began to carve it directly out of bedrock, but cracks appeared in the granite and the project was abandoned. Originally it was thought that the stone had an undetected flaw but it is also possible that the quarrying process allowed the cracking to develop by releasing the stress. The bottom side of the obelisk is still attached to the bedrock. The unfinished obelisk offers unusual insights into ancient Egyptian stone-working techniques, with marks from workers' tools still clearly visible as well as ochre-coloured lines marking where they were working.`` http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/egyptunfinishedobelisk.htm

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Tuesday, November 29, 2016  

  • Ha ha!:)

    I knew you would say that,Rich:)..The other alternative could be 30ft.GIANTS in those times?..It has been suggested that GIANTS built "Stonehenge" but I'm not clear on what you think, about giants.As you may know,there are giants with us here today,7-8ft.plus
    very tall people, good basketball players, but whats in a name, but just a verbal identity of whats on our mind.The Ancient ones speak about, what we call today extraterrestrial,they
    called sky-gods! One & the same thing,wouldn't we think?

    Just maybe,the giants, were the extraterrestrial sky-gods. Whats in a name?................

    By Blogger Daniel Yang-Clark, at Tuesday, November 29, 2016  

  • Again, Parakletos, you provide a narrow view of the matter.

    The over all belief in divinities by primitive man came from Earthly materials and vicissitudes.

    You provide an example -- and there are some -- that a few cultures also developed gods with an existence from the skies, but those are few compared to the panoply I tried to note from a few sources that have credibility.

    You offer examples that feed AA believers....examples that make a point but don't accrue to the generality of divine belief by early humans.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, November 29, 2016  

  • Daniel, I addressed the "giant" designation in my posting, recently, about the Book of Enoch.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, November 29, 2016  

  • Hi, wonderful,

    in university I used to take some comparative religion classes. Of course Eliade is a great writer, a real classic. The Myth of Eternal Return, just read it again last year, what a book.
    And while I think that the AA-theory (or a "theory") is kind of fun to speculate, it doesn´t really have any substance. There are so many simpler explanations than "the aliens from outer space". I don´t mean that there aren´t any mysteries in the past, just that they doesn´t involve any aliens. (Hey, it would be great if I were wrong!)

    JC

    By Blogger Jerry Cornelius, at Wednesday, November 30, 2016  

  • Daniel,

    so, you think it´s more probable that giants or the sky-gods built the pyramids? Not men, like http://www.livescience.com/32616-how-were-the-egyptian-pyramids-built-.html ??
    Seriously?

    JC

    By Blogger Jerry Cornelius, at Wednesday, November 30, 2016  

  • Daniel's view, if I may speak for him, is not without merit.

    The huge constructs, found around the world, that would cause much travail for even modern equipment and engineers, may have had to be constructed with help from something or someone other than fellow humans.

    I don't think it was extraterrestrials, for all the reasons I've cited here. (Aliens just don't show up in our backwater planet, in the numbers needed to build things all over the place. That would be stupid on the face of it.)

    But the constructs are here, and hard to explain, with the human engineering knowledge and abilities of primitive or early man.

    So, what or who built or helped build the monstrous artifacts in situ around the world? Giants? I don't think so.

    But who (or what)? That's the question needing an answer.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, November 30, 2016  

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