UFO Conjectures

Tuesday, November 15, 2016

No wonder normal people avoid the UFO topic....

The headline for the video, from which this image was captured, is:

UFOs seen flying across supermoon in TWO locations considered 'PROOF of aliens'

This from a Google alert and shows the mad illogic that suffuses the UFO topic.



  • Rich, I know that it's discouraging but there is "mad illogic" about almost every topic for public discussion. I'm an economist and I cringe at the illogic of debate over, say, Federal Reserve policy or whether the minimum wage should be increased by law. Most who comment about public policy have never studied economic theory in any serious way or have no understanding of economic history. Drives me nuts. Same with UFOs. That Google UFO alert was profoundly dumb and was done solely to get hits on a website. That's just the world that we live in.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Tuesday, November 15, 2016  

  • I couldn't agree more, Dominick/

    An economist.....so what do think of Tom Piketty?

    Even though I was a John Birch hierarch in my younger days, I'm finding Marx to be interesting and I was (and am) a Bernie Sanders supporter.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, November 15, 2016  

  • Hello,

    Well, I was "alerted" too: If you look at the video, the UFO's are simply... balloons^^

    anyway, it was funny to watch.



    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Tuesday, November 15, 2016  

  • "Proof of aliens" indeed.

    That kind of maniacal hyperbole kills me and, yet, some of our ufological friends believe such nonsense.

    (You know their names, Gilles.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, November 15, 2016  

  • Hello,

    The non-sens regarding the so-called flying saucers or UFO is/remains from long times now. From its start in fact, when you contextualize the "coming of the saucers" for the 1947 contempories or what's happen in the 50's with the regard of sociologists/psychologists (Human Sciences).

    You are assisting of a modern myth "dying", step by step:

    1) The last UFO-afficionados are in the era as expected by UFO-skeptics (or sociologists regarding myths): aka to appeal on old cases, because no "turn-over". In every blogs, fora, personal page, etc., you will be invaded by the "celebrations" of OLD cases. New ufologists, or old-geezers favoring the ETH have nothing new to offer/propose... They will appeal or call on old cases, mainly.

    2) Modern cases are easy debunkable, or are fakes, hoaxes, CGI, "stupid" (but legitimate cause the myth) misinterpretations.

    3) Modern ufologists are calling to Quantum Physic, Consciousness, aka typical pseudo-scientists claims/arguments cause they have in fact no one scientific evidence. They wanted to offer us a smocking gun, but they are themselves or have creating a smokescreen cause their own BELIEF.

    But it is cool: As I always said, you are assisting to a modern myth! Not everyone has that "luxury" regarding past modern mythes. Enjoy then to be such a witness of a modern myth ;)

    Best Regards,

    Gilles Fernandez

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Wednesday, November 16, 2016  

  • I'm seeing a lot of myself in your comment, Gilles.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, November 16, 2016  

  • Dont be "sad", Rich (or a sort of sadness I believe in your comment??). It had been better in French, but well...

    Ufology, or the ETI (ET intelligence) myth is probably due, as I always commented, cause the need of Sapiens sapiens to be "transcended" by something, and his "religiosity need".

    The ETI myth was coming when religion(s) were falling or refuted in our occidental areas: ETI was a good (GOD) concept to replace religion, "religiosity need", cause Sapiens sapiens needs something that "transcend" him. And this, for long times! It is in his cognition and brain.

    Sapiens sapiens have an impressive NEED to be "transcended" by an entity.

    Post-1947 Sapiens sapiens have found in the flying saucers, - UFO -myth- a sort of contemporary response of their need to be transcended by something.

    No more, nor less, than this...

    Enjoy this "conclusion", if you are an humanist?


    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Wednesday, November 16, 2016  

  • I couldn't agree more, Gilles....


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, November 16, 2016  

  • I visit this blog often and I am fascinated, usually enlightened and even occasionally annoyed or perplexed. To my great surprise, having enjoyed following the UFO topic most of my life, this is the one place I can go to find discussions, conceptions and philosophical perspectives that are sometimes at the edge of my understanding.

    I’m sure you realized long ago that there are minds that think in a scientific way and those that do not. But UFOs are interesting to both types.

    You often seem frustrated by a lack of response to your postings, and voice disbelief at the sheer gobsmacking illogic of some UFO enthusiasts. But, some people simply gloss over your work because it is too abstruse to them. Others, I am positive, are intimidated by the very high level of intellection you often present.

    There is a huge segment that “like” UFOs because they are modern Ghost Stories, campfire tales. Filled with childlike wonder, little critical thought, but strangely comforting.
    Society’s current fascination with cinematic Super-Heroes proves that Magical Thinking no longer fades away during Elementary School.


    By Blogger Vince Ditrich, at Wednesday, November 16, 2016  

  • Vince...

    How can I disagree with you.

    Your "analysis" of why some like the UFO topic is pretty much how I see it, and I'll be approaching your view upcoming, and have hinted at your view(s). in another recent posting here.

    I try not to be abstruse, but the topics I present do me in, and many who visit here.

    I'm hoping to encourage them to dig with me, into the esoteric elements that impact UFOs, often indirectly.

    Thanks for the note.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, November 16, 2016  

  • RR,

    Vince's point following Giles' is to the point. Those interested in UAPs need not be classed as any one belief or form of 'religion' as the path of honorable scientific curiosity exists. Notably it counters both the true believers at either end of the spectrum.

    Curiosity and its brother exploration are in direct opposition to those of the null suggesting that there is nothing to be learned or found.

    I applaud skepticism but decry the blindness fringe that that turns it into its own depressing religion of hopelessness. It is thus that Giles is in error with "...you are assisting to a modern myth!"

    Rather, this blog of yours is a beacon thoughtfulness. Illegitimi non carborundum! I suggest you keep this in mind. Please note that I love this common note of advise to leadership amid opposing opinions and it is certainly not directed as insult to Giles or anyone.


    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Friday, November 18, 2016  

  • I'm with you Bryan...

    Gilles (and others, like our friend Zoam Chomsky) are extreme skeptics but they are not loony.

    They view the UFO [UAP] phenomenon as a fiction, when it has had (and has) a palpable reality, an unexplained reality but a reality nonetheless.

    One can't dismiss UFOs by saying they are mythical. The reports or tales about them may be mythical-like, an evolving mythos, but odd things seen in the sky (and sometimes on the ground, have a reality, even it is a hallucinatory reality.

    And we have to deal with that "reality" in order to determine what the phenomenon is or (or is not).

    Calling something a "myth" doesn't dismiss the truth of that something, as Jung and his acolyte Joseph Campbell has clarified for those willing to listen with an open, intellectual mind.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, November 18, 2016  

  • Hey, Buddy, I still love ya! but

    Over a century and thousands of a wild variety of so-called "UFO" reports have not produced one shred of evidence for an "unexplained reality." All the stories ever told amount to absolutely nothing of substance, persistence, or consequence: the completely abstract idea "UFO" has no complementary real-world existence!

    The false belief that it does is the "UFO" myth, and that latent false belief and its history in populations is the "UFO" collective delusion.

    The history of the myth and delusion is the subject of study by social scientists. The issue is long decided. There are only stories, never the things themselves so desperately hoped to be.

    The Null and Psychosocial hypotheses explain why people believe in the "UFO" myth even though the mere idea has no reality. There are no real "UFOs" of any kind and there never were.

    There is no "UFO" phenomenon. You say, "Yes." I say, "No" but all the (lack of) evidence is on the null side of the graph.

    Hey, Gilles, mon ami. Nous persistons parce que nous sommes capables d'apprendre.

    All the rest is hoaxes, lies, misrepresentation, ad hominem and endless logical fallacies. Notably: Petitio principii (assuming the answer), false comparison, and argument by analogy, Bryan.

    Best always, ZO

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Friday, November 18, 2016  

  • Zoam, Zoam, Zoam....

    You are so obtuse; lovable but obtuse.

    Unidentified things seen in the sky are real, unless you take my occasional view that the "witnesses" are hallucinating.

    A modern myth has ensued since about 1947, as Jung postulated.

    But myth has sprout from a real core, a truth of some kind -- enhanced, muddled, supplemented -- but the core is a reality, no matter how you and Gilles try to deny it.

    You two are smart enough to know the Joseph Campbell spiel.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, November 18, 2016  

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