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Sunday, December 11, 2016
Sometimes I´ve thought that I should make up my own (UFO?) story and put it up to the internet and see what happens.JC
By Jerry Cornelius, at Sunday, December 11, 2016
There may be kernels of truth in the story, but we're not treated to the full data that was collected.n=900 plus individuals, but we do not know the selection criteria and why such subjects would subject themselves to such an experiment. Terminally ill individuals vs off the street volunteers?But it is indeed an interesting subject that has been debated since Antiquity.Medically speaking, we now treat clinical death as a condition to be treated. The emphasis is the term "clinical." At my university medical center, we have dramatically changed how we approach cardiac events and how we run our "code" algorithms (I once was certified in Advanced Life Support for starting out in the ICU.)I read a study some years ago that even the use of high flow oxygen in cardiac arrest events showed that this led to negative outcomes due to cellular switch from oxygen needs to that of carbon dioxide...hypercapnic drive on the metabolic level.After death, cellular activity continues for up four hours. Individual cells use what existing oxygen is left in the system then switch over to using carbon dioxide.So the crux of the story still remains the two Ps...physiological vs philosophical. NDEs need to be looked at from a high flow or dumping of neural transmitters during the death process. Is this a natural phenomenal that induces hallucinogenic episodes with no particular purpose, or a programmed process that affords a degree of protection?My comment is probably more than you were anticipating, but it's food for thought.
By Tim Hebert, at Sunday, December 11, 2016
No, Tim, your comment is efficacious.The topic has fascinated me since Moody's "Life After Life" book.RR
By RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 11, 2016
Tim,you noticed that this thing was a complete hoax?JC
Jerry,You miss my point. Regardless of whether the story is a hoax or not, there is credible research that has been and is ongoing to look at NDEs and what is it's mechanisms from a physiological standpoint. Our concept of death in the medical field is ever changing. Clinical death is a condition that can be treated under certain circumstances.You'll notice that I expressed skepticism due to no mentioning of the "study's data." Which is a red flag. And the story fails to link the "study" to any journal publications.I've come to the conclusions that all stories, UFOs, the paranormal, etc, have kernels of truths that are wrapped around layers of confabulations, myths and so forth. One has to carefully peel these layers off and examine and discard as needed.What is the kernel of truth in the "hoax" story?...some people have NDEs. Or what they perceive to be NDEs.
HI TimI see your point and you´re right. Myself, I´m a bit sceptical about NDEs being a proof of afterlife. I mean think it´s a funny "coincidence" that a NDE or an OBE can be, how should I say it, replicated with certain (illegal) drugs (don´t try this at home) so maybe it´s just a biological reaction not a revelation. Of course it would be great if there was an afterlife!"I've come to the conclusions that all stories, UFOs, the paranormal, etc, have kernels of truths that are wrapped around layers of confabulations, myths and so forth. One has to carefully peel these layers off and examine and discard as needed."That´s pretty much what I think, actually. Like Rich likes to say, people report what they actually see but what they think they see may be affected by their mind and ideas (like, if you think there are ETs flying around our skies you´re likely to interpret a weird light in the sky as an alien spaceship).JC
Hello here,NDE is a subject I follow for a while. Useless to say I'm skeptic and proponent of the neuropsychological hypothesis (subjective experiences created by our brain to be short, and not after life evidence), as Cognitive psychologist. Here is a short video of the works made by Steve Laureys "Coma Science Group" team I'm a great fan and follower. It is in French with English subtitles, and illustrate the different components of NDE have/are corellated to neurological substrats. A must to watch imho.http://www.ulg.ac.be/cms/c_716080/fr/near-death-experiencesRegards,PS: this article is a "well known" fake/satire.Gilles.
By Gilles Fernandez, at Monday, December 12, 2016
Gillesyes I, too, think that the most likely explanation is simply our brains and how we interpret the things we experience. (But then, my favourite question is that what triggers that experience?) I´ve often thought that maybe some people have more "acitive" brains and see/experience more paranormal things? I mean, I´m jealous, I´ve only seen once or twice something weird in the sky, I want to have a proper UFO experience (but no abductions, please).JC
By Jerry Cornelius, at Monday, December 12, 2016
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