UFO Conjecture(s)

Sunday, December 11, 2016

Near light-speed space ship -- one only -- to visit other stars/planets

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nasa-nano-starship-speed-of-light-stephen-hawking-breakthrough-starchip-space-a7467732.html

So, will we send a vanguard of space ships to the planet(s) in the star system this ship will explore, and do so for generations?

I don't think so. That would be insane....

RR

14 Comments:

  • Hey,

    who talked about generations? It´s supposed to be 20 years (OK, just a one way trip). But I would never underestimate the curiousity of our species -- if it can be done it will be done.

    JC

    By Blogger Jerry Cornelius, at Sunday, December 11, 2016  

  • Jerry..

    I was being sarcastic (snarky) in my statement about generations....and I hate it when I have to explain sarcasm or irony:

    I was hoping to make a connection to my complaints that ETs would not, just as we Earthlings wouldn't, send a raft of space ships for many trips to one lonely planet and do so for years....once maybe, but that's it.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 11, 2016  

  • Rich,

    I´m sorry, I just lost your point.
    As for the UFOs, I´ve always wondered not the travel but how do they find us? There are so many planets, so many planets.

    JC

    By Blogger Jerry Cornelius, at Sunday, December 11, 2016  

  • ``ETs would not, just as we Earthlings wouldn't, send a raft of space ships``

    I agree. Though on a sufficiently lengthy trip, they might send more than one -- with the subsequent ships arriving before the first, as they implement improvements in drive technology.

    You comment, however, seems to presume that there is only one species of ETs out there which would develop such a probing strategy. I think multiple variations of the same kind of probe technology would rather be expected given sufficiently large numbers of ETs out there doing the probing.

    Even at that speed, though, that probe can't overcome the expansion effect. So its range is severely limited. We could scour our particular supercluster/'galaxy' (and the ones headed our way), but that's about it. It still leaves the vastness of space mostly unreachable. So we're still back to whether or not our supercluster/'galaxy' is sufficiently large to have intelligent life arise not only more than one time, but more than once at the same or mostly same point in time. And that's all the more improbable.

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Monday, December 12, 2016  

  • Hi,

    I´ve always thought that whatever ETs are they´re curious. Isn´t curiosity that one trait that has gotten us anywhere? If we weren´t curious we wouldn´t have come down from the trees.
    Maybe ETs live much longer than us so that a trip of, say, 200 years wouldn´t be too long?
    Sorry, I guess I must be a frustrating guy to talk with. It´s just that I don´t believe in answers, I believe in good questions. I don´t think we have answers so it´s better to keep an open mind and ask questions as much as possible.

    JC

    By Blogger Jerry Cornelius, at Monday, December 12, 2016  

  • ET's may be curious, Jerry, but that can't be insane, or if they are, they'd not be curious, just self-absorbed in their own madness.

    That's why I push the AI probe idea: a self-created, after the fact, species of AI machines that may be surveying the galaxy or universe, for reasons we may not fathom.

    But, no matter what, visiting probes or ET beings would not show up at our pathetic, backwater planet in the numbers that UFO reportage seems to indicate.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, December 12, 2016  

  • Meant to add that the "numbers of that UFO reportage" is surely deceptive and that 'real' sightings are surely very few and deceptions many.

    BD

    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Monday, December 12, 2016  

  • Bryan Daum is a "friend" of the RRRGroup but not a member (god bless him), but I had to cut and paste his comment here as it had an inordinate amount of white space, which creates an unaesthetic maw:

    "I believe that we are a rare thing given the constraints of the needs of water, iron core, size, placement, protection (Moon and Jupiter) and etc. All that, plus the simple fact of our development and our survival and very existence.

    As is commonly discussed, we are radiating electronic markers of our presence that could be found as surely as we seek such evidence of others. That finding us we might be investigated is reasonable and as with our planetary probes that investigation could involve multiple visits.

    Being reached across space or dimensions implies those reaching us are more advanced and in that advancement they might well choose to mask their presence. The 'they' could be more than one and their technology could send yet another signal for yet others to investigate.

    The investigations by others might well be a mix of life forms and AIs of those (and other) life forms. If a grouping of such lifeforms were to mirror our multiple nationalities sending multiple craft to Mars it could explain differing and reoccurring sighting here. Revisits could be a recognition of our rapid ascendance (in opposition to your continued thoughts of our being "pathetic" RR).

    Perhaps with our quantum research (just for example) we are being seen as on the cusp of a/the breakthrough they are waiting for us to achieve on our own. "

    BD

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, December 12, 2016  

  • Bryan:

    I'm lad you are exalted by all the glories of Earth, but you surely miss the infinite, monstrous space called the Universe wherein there are many glories that have to compete with ours.

    Even with just our galaxy to consider, there are too many other "hot spots" for ET visitations to explore that dissuades me that the panoply of alleged UFOs that have shown up here come from advanced aliens on a spree.

    It's lunatic, and I can't imagine ETs with the ability to create space traveling craft, AI or otherwise, spending a lot of time fixated on us when there are so many other wondrous places that provoke attention.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, December 12, 2016  

  • RR,

    I like to look at the given. If we do so we find us alone in our solar system. The prescription for life and survival has been shown to be very restrictive so I project that into other systems wondering just how frequent are temperate wet and otherwise safe -and with sentient life.

    My belief is Drake was way off the mark.

    But, on the other hand, the given that we are suggests they are and at the same time they should be as rare as we are.

    The distances are such that any such 'travel' has to be beyond what lineal travel thinking we have. Given our quick path to flight and on to space, the future has to give us the 'dimensional' and/or super luminal travel needed -and their presence here, -if they are-, dictates that truth of that technology, another given as I see it.

    Of course a mix of UAPs that are simply unknown phenomena not ETs or AI surrogates, along with lies, insanity, misidentifications, and the like, could mean that we are just simply alone (and unique!) in our reachable space.

    BD

    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Monday, December 12, 2016  

  • Thank you Bryan...

    A reasonable, sensible comment from you.

    The human species and Earth itself are unique and wonderful (diverse and crazy too, as I've noted previously here).

    But not a draw or venue sough by advanced beings from another civilization, at least not in the droves of visits that UFO reports seem to indicate.

    Your view -- "Of course a mix of UAPs that are simply unknown phenomena not ETs or AI surrogates, along with lies, insanity, misidentifications, and the like, could mean that we are just simply alone (and unique!) in our reachable space" -- is pretty much mine.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, December 13, 2016  

  • Hi, Bryan

    You made good points. I think we sometimes/often underestimate the uniqueness of our planet (no, I don´t mean that ETs travel here because we´re so interesting), I mean there are many things that have to be right that there´s even a possibility of intelligent life arising. Right distance from the sun, right axial tilt, a big planet like Jupiter to catch those asteroids and comets, no other stars too near, a magnetic field, everything. I don´t think there are aliens very near us.

    Hi, Rich

    But maybe ETs are insane from our point of view, following their own logic? Or yeah, maybe those AI probes have gone a bit mad after millions of years and replications? That would certainly explain some of the weirder UFO encounters...

    JC

    By Blogger Jerry Cornelius, at Tuesday, December 13, 2016  

  • That is unless there is something about the incredible biodiversity of our planet that makes it a hot spot for aliens wanting to study the multitude of species as well as giving the alien "parents" a chance to show their kids how NOT to run a Planet when they're all grown up!

    By Blogger JCC, at Tuesday, December 13, 2016  

  • Sure JCC...

    But only a "hot spot" like Disney World for humans. if ETs are lunatic like humans are.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, December 13, 2016  

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