UFO Contemplation

Tuesday, February 21, 2017

Fear and Loathing (in the UFO community?)

Every few days I get an e-mail dealing with UFOs, from persons who don't wish to place commentary online, fearing backlashes from skeptics and internet trolls.

One of my good friends, a true UFO researcher, holds back from leaving comments here, not wishing to be savaged by antagonists.

Some erudite UFO buffs I know have held back from forming their own sites or blogs, some because they're lazy, but most because they can't take the slings and arrows from persons firing barbs at UFO content rather than offering enlightened commentary.

Even with the blog option to prevent adverse comments, which Kevin Randle and I employ, hateful comments take a toll.

(Some of he persons I'm noting have Facebook accounts, where they can gather sympathetic "friends" and avoid persons who cast a pall on anything UFO oriented.)

The situation is getting worse and worse. (Look at Kevin's judicious blog [KevinRandle.blogspot.com] to see what I mean. While he has a core of astute followers, he also attracts asses who misread his coherent postings and ideas.)

It's a kind of societal madness that has become exacerbated by the political environment extant.

RR

15 Comments:

  • Well, what are you to expect? Wringing out any coherent thoughts is time consuming and with very little personal reward.

    BTW, my blog has been mothballed. Lot of recent views, which make no rational sense, but not enough to keep the site going. Frankly the subject matter bores and I've no energy left to devote.

    IMHO, Kevin should have left his comments unmoderated on his blog. It's the crazy bullshit comments that made it enjoyable to read.

    Anyways, it's on to other things that were put on the back burner for the past few years.

    I'll stop by from time to time and put forth some mutterings and ramblings.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Tuesday, February 21, 2017  

  • Thanks, buddy.

    I put a thing about Hastings on here a few days back, thinking it would get a rile from you and your followers.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 21, 2017  

  • All you can be, is honest to yourself, & others in polite commentary of what is on your mind, in sharing with others; and you are, Rich!! This is what makes this blog intellectually attractive. This blog is rich:) with a wealth of information & ideas, that can lead on to others, commenting their prospective thoughts & ideas; if only,
    they could overcome the fear of backlashes, from skeptics and internet trolls; "And communicate!?"..Unfortunately, there are a level of minds, that are hell-bent on ill-mannered, point-scoring, rather than just their, apposing points of view!

    Sure, there are antagonists out there, waiting to peal your orange, for their own consumption, but your opinion has as much value as anyones.

    Remember, opinions can change: "The World once was thought to be flat, NOW we know the Earth is a Globe" and to give more depth to this understanding, in MY opinion, the world is both FLAT & ROUND! It just depends on where you view the Earth, from within its conceptual view point:)..That was the missing link in the past...........

    By Blogger Daniel, at Tuesday, February 21, 2017  

  • Daniel, you are a prince....

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 21, 2017  

  • I don't tend to associate yours or Kevin Randle's site with obnoxious posters. You're both like a quiet library on a Sunday afternoon compared to other websites. Count your blessings.

    I noticed a few years ago that Randle altered his style of writing to pre-empt the lazy habits of people who skim read - the people who look for a reason to contradict and ridicule.

    For example, he writes a reasonable statement like 'Ufology has a lot of frauds' and follows it up with a sentence beginning with, "By which I mean..." It's done to minimise instances of people ignorantly misinterpreting the statement and responding with a straw man argument like,'Explain to me how ufology is a fraud.'

    It's a shame that intelligent writers feel they have to express themselves in ways that an idiot can understand. The idiot won't ever appreciate the concession and the writer has used more energy than was strictly required to make their point.

    I do it myself for similar reasons. So, no, I'm not criticising you or Kevin Randle and not everyone interprets what we write in the way it was intended. I don't mean to say that *all* posters are 'idiots' and most are certainly intelligent and thoughtful. Some may even be having a bad day and haven't expressed themselves in ways they intended either.

    Maybe the most constructive way forward is to speak as we mean and respond only to those who appear to have understood us?

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Tuesday, February 21, 2017  

  • Kandinsky...

    A gentleman who offers supplemental materials here and is a bona fide UFO researcher with lots of work that UFO buffs find invaluable and worthwhile, refuses to open himself to ignorant (my word) opprobrium.

    He hesitates to comment, knowing that disputants will pop up to undermine his comments or efforts, for no reason other than to be mean.

    You'd be surprised at the nasty comments I get, snide, sarcastic, and obnoxious....from persons who only wish to undermine my heterodox UFO views.

    Often -- and Kevin has experienced this also -- commenters would wish that he or I write our blogs in a way that expresses their views rather than our own. He fights back. I just delete such suggestive comments, and have blocked entry to the blog by such ignoble asses.

    What you see, in comments here (and at Kevin's blog too I think) are the creme de la creme of comments; the stupid comments deep sixed.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 21, 2017  

  • But, people should stand up for themselves - if someone makes a sarcastic comment, then hit back, and keep hitting back. Staying quiet does not really help. It makes the person look weak.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, February 22, 2017  

  • We understand your point, Nick; A war of words in a mindset of befuddled chaos and madness, leading to disharmony. Don't we have this on some Blogs already everywhere?

    There is a better way! It takes two to argue, yeah? It only needs one to ignore, to refuse to notice the other. This is NOT WEAK, it is SMART, "in keeping the peace"

    Otherwise, how can one have a peaceful, intelligent, communication in a mindset of chaos, beset with anguish & hostility towards one-another..

    This, must be madness, to continue like this. There is always a better way of doing things, and that is by doing things differently..........

    By Blogger Daniel, at Wednesday, February 22, 2017  

  • Tim -

    The problem was one idiot who posted the same thing 25 times on a single entry and who didn't understand the word, "dubious." And there are those who make some nice comment as a way of pasting their advertisements to the blog. I got tired of that, and the truly obnoxious comments, some of which were libelous at best. This way, the tone is more civil. We all pay the price for the obnoxious and the charlatans.

    By Blogger KRandle, at Wednesday, February 22, 2017  

  • Daniel, But keeping the peace isn't always the right thing to do.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Thursday, February 23, 2017  

  • We hear you Nick, and under different circumstances could agree! but one might ask what the criterion of a Blog stands for, in communicating a freedom of speech on a so-called peaceful media.. Should we speak on TV like this?.. that would be entertaining, and the subject of discussion, somewhat lost:)..............

    By Blogger Daniel, at Thursday, February 23, 2017  

  • I think we should say exactly what we want to say and exactly when we want to - there is way too much politically correct crap in the world today.

    All this nonsense about "untruths' and "misspeaking" as the media words it. Why wont they call them the lies they are? Because they lack the balls to do so and are worried about fall-out. That's a sad state of affairs.

    Slightly off-topic here, but when it comes to politics, the only person I have any time for is Bernie Sanders. He says what he thinks, and you know where you stand with him. President Sanders? That would have been a great day.

    Ufologists could learn a lesson or several from him about saying what they think. And not being afraid to say it.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Thursday, February 23, 2017  

  • Geez, Nick...

    I thought I was the only Bernie Sanders fan around here.

    (My brother Tom was aghast that I was a Sanders supporter, but Bernie is a truth-teller, and that, for me, is the gold standard.)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, February 23, 2017  

  • Yep, Bernie could have saved the day!

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Thursday, February 23, 2017  

  • Good luck with your stance, Nick! Although, we don't think YOU will need it, but others may:).................

    By Blogger Daniel, at Thursday, February 23, 2017  

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