UFO Conjecture(s)

Sunday, February 05, 2017

Why there are no ETs like us, anywhere....

My contention, which is hardly unique, is that extraterrestrial life -- advanced species on other worlds -- would never evolve as humans have: Darwinian evolution and all of Earth's technologies and creative endeavors derive from that evolution which is specific to Earth and only Earth.

Read these comments from physicist Paul Davies on the matter. Click HERE

This my take-away from the article:

"The essence of Darwinism is that nature is blind and evolution is directionless. There is no known principle that compels life to evolve toward intelligence once it gets started. But belief in alien civilisations tacitly assumes a thrust towards intelligence, a hidden directionality in evolution, which is sharply at odds with the whole spirit of Darwinism."

RR

19 Comments:

  • "There is no known principle...".

    Except that life itself is intelligence.

    Regards,
    Mauricio

    By Blogger Don Maor, at Sunday, February 05, 2017  

  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution

    By Blogger Don Maor, at Sunday, February 05, 2017  

  • You're acknowledging, I hope, Don, that evolution is unique to Earth, not applicable elsewhere, yes?

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, February 05, 2017  

  • In my opinion, Charles Darwin's theory on evolution, is not altogether that correct any more than the Flat earth theory, that was once believed to be, and now is spherical..

    The DNA code, is far too complex, for evolution to have just happened by chance.
    It would be like expecting evolution to build a jumbo-jet out of a scrap yard.

    The complexity of the DNA code, points more to intelligent design. It is not all evolution, only in part...............

    By Blogger Daniel, at Monday, February 06, 2017  

  • Not really Rich, I fail to see why evolution would not work at other places.

    The convergent evolution definition that I shared is for noticing that different organisms, who have followed different evolutionary pathways might end up being very similar in shape or body plan.

    By Blogger Don Maor, at Monday, February 06, 2017  

  • I'm sorry to disagree, vehemently, Don...

    The vicissitudes required for Darwin's evolution to work are unique to Earth.

    That is, there are too many intertwining elements that need to be in place to allow evolution to proceed (or work). And those elements are specific to our planet and ours alone.

    The whole idea of evolution fascinates, and we could discuss it ad infinitum. (I'm not even going to dismiss Intelligent Design, Daniels preference I think. That makes a lot of sense to me and some scientists too.)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, February 06, 2017  

  • Evolution is not that hard to happen. I see it as the easiest and dumbest way to create intelligent individuals. Evolution is basically trial and error. Is trial and error a very unlikely method only to happen on earth? Sorry but no.

    Regarding the supossed uniqueness of life on earth? Is it really unique? Yeah, your pet dog is unique, for sure, his life story is unique, he is uniquely cute, etc, but there are millions of such unique pet dogs in the world.

    By Blogger Don Maor, at Monday, February 06, 2017  

  • Ah, Don....

    It's not my dog or your dog, it's dogs, in general, and ocean life, and plant life, and microbial life.....you get the idea.

    All that comes about with an interaction with the environment, the geography, the geology, the chemicals, everything that belongs to Earth, and only to Earth.

    Even if there is another planet, similar to Earth, in many ways(or all ways...I'll give that to you for the sake of the debate), life would have to be subject to what happens to it, by the interaction of the similar elements. And the odds of another planet having the same interactions as that which imposed life here are astronomical (no pun).

    Like the idea that advanced species seeking out our minor planet amongst all the other places in the cosmos (or just our galaxy) is ludicrous, I see the idea that life elsewhere would proceed along an evolutionary path like that which created life here as ludicrous, mathematically.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, February 06, 2017  

  • The idea of a species searching for life in other planets is NOT ludicrous it is just happening NOW, as our astrobioligists and assorted astronomers are searching, finding, and mapping exoplanets similar to our earth. Have a little respect for the truth Rich! :)

    By Blogger Don Maor, at Monday, February 06, 2017  

  • Don, I want you to read me carefully, always...(I expect more from you).

    I've never written that there is no life on other planets or that other species would not be searching for life, as we are.

    You seem to think that other life (ETs) would think and act as we do. I find that an intellectual stretch/

    My position is that advanced species (life elsewhere) would not be coming here in the droves that UFO reporting indicates.

    It's ludicrous.

    When one objectively observes the seen Universe, it becomes laughable that an advanced species would get sidetracked from all the glories of the Universe (or just our galaxy) just to spend time reconnoitering Earth in the numbers indicated by UFO lore.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, February 06, 2017  

  • Arguments like "it is ludicrous", "laughable" and the "glories of the universe" are very personal.

    By Blogger Don Maor, at Monday, February 06, 2017  

  • The concepts are ludicrous, Don, not the person expounding them.

    Don't take such verbiage in a personal sense; it's a kind of academic debate that I have always engaged in with my peers.

    For me, the idea that evolution would take place elsewhere in the same way it did here is ridiculous; feel free to offset my position by writing, you are goofy, Rich, and here's why.

    This is why I love Zoam Chomsky. He says I'm nuts when it comes to UFOs and proceeds to show me why that is so.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, February 06, 2017  

  • Don't worry Rich, I don't take it personally.
    I meant that concepts such as "ludicrous" or "laughable" are not objective. They are just in your mind. You are like a teenager.

    Some points:

    1) Even very small countries in underdeveloped continents receive many, many, many visits from tourists, diplomacy agents, scientists, etc., who come from more developed countries. That is not ludicrous, it just happens. So the concept of aliens visiting us from different places is not "ludicrous", it just have to verified or falsified.

    2) Our very human fellows devoted to astrobiology or astronomy are already mapping the galaxy for planets similar to our earth. Even more, they are searching for microbial life on mars. Yes, microbes, those tiny insignificant beings possibly on mars surface, those tiny and irrelevant beings that nobody knows for sure if they exist or not, still catch the attention of smart people here on earth. Oh! But that would be very "ludicrous" in the teenager world of Rich Reynolds.

    3) At the very worst, the correct answer is "We don't know whether evolution will occur in other planets". That is not "ludicrous", it is just "we don't know for sure".

    For me, evolution is a very simple and basic process, basically "trial and error", repeated by living beings here again, and again, and again. It seems pretty reasonable to think that this extremely simple process will occur in other planets.

    4) Even assuming that evolution on another planets may lead to VERY different results, we only need that SOME (NOT ALL) of these planets lead to similar results that here on Earth. We might be being visited by aliens which are similar to us, and the aliens that are very different to us might be visiting other planets with beings similar to them, or might prefer stay in their home planet. The UFO-ETH does NOT need all aliens look like us, it only need SOME aliens look like us.

    Regards,

    By Blogger Don Maor, at Tuesday, February 07, 2017  

  • Don:

    You are ever the enthusiastic optimist.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 07, 2017  

  • WOW..

    A provoking question Rich, "Why there are no ETs like us anywhere..." has stirred the pot, some what, it appears..

    I must say, I agree with Don, Rich!? and at the same time, can understand your line of thinking, on evolution. This is fine....

    Let us say, that in, all of evolution on Earth, & elsewhere, anywhere, has taken place as you have pointed out above, the same for Don, as well. Now just visualize, in consideration, of all the time that has gone by, millions of years, or billions of years, that in all this time, evolution everywhere, anywhere, has "COMBINED" and still evolving everywhere, but NOW, with "intelligent design behind it" such as what the complexity of DNA points to, that somewhere along the way, in all this time, life on Earth, has been upgraded in evolution..

    In other words, everything you can think of in evolution, has had, ample time to have take place, as controversial as this might seem...................

    By Blogger Daniel, at Tuesday, February 07, 2017  

  • A grand plan as it were, Daniel?

    Possible. Makes as much sense as anything, to me anyway.

    While I think the god that fooled around with the Hebrews, the demiurgos, Yahweh, has died, I think that there is an ineffable God
    who creates all instantaneously in Its mind and we are it: what has happened, what is happening, what will happen takes place in the divine moment, which plays out for us, in time.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 07, 2017  

  • Sounds good to me Rich, "except" Yahweh, that I understand, is the one ineffable, true God of all creation, and not dead..

    In the Bible, it states: [Thou shalt not adore any other false gods, but the one true God, your creator] For he is a jealous God. "Yahweh"

    How can this ineffable, all powerful God, be dead? As the scriptures go, there is no other god above him, as we're taught, only the false gods we are warned of, the Antichrist being one of them, the antagonist of Jesus Christ..

    Yahweh, is the Hebrew name of God..............

    By Blogger Daniel, at Tuesday, February 07, 2017  

  • Daniel read Jung on the topic and get some Gnostic literature,

    That will edify you about Yahweh, the god beneath God.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 07, 2017  

  • Well Rich, when you boil it all down, its about a belief system, we either believe or disbelieve, I choose both, sitting on the fence as it were.........

    By Blogger Daniel, at Wednesday, February 08, 2017  

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