UFO Conjecture(s)

Tuesday, March 14, 2017

An ET shot (and J. Allen Hynek had the details)?

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The magazine (pictured), Probe the Unknown, for Spring 1974 had a number of interesting articles, including an extensive take on the Hickson/Parker Pascagoula abduction, authored by Hayden Hewes, plus a profile of Stanton Friedman in his younger, more relaxed days, and an account of John Schuessler’s UFO Study Group of Greater St. Louis, and a few photographs, taken on October 3, 1973 (by a Louisville electronics engineer while on tour of a wildlife preserve):
Then there was a longish piece about (and from) J. Allen Hynek (by Dennis Waite), in which I read an interesting bit (on pages 29/30):
The incident related took place “in North Dakota in the fall of 1961” and involved four men (two of whom “held military security clearances”):

“It was late at night, a cold, bitter evening. It had been raining intermittently turning to sleet, when the four men, who were driving at the time, noticed a craft land in an open field.

“Thinking that a plane had made an emergency landing because of he weather, the four men  … stopped [and] rushed to the aircraft, hopping over a fence on their way.

“What they saw was a downed craft, but one resembling no plane or vehicle they had seen before. ‘Humanoids’ were around the object and one menacingly waved the men away.

“At that point … one of the men took a shot at a creature. It fell to the ground, apparently hurt.”  [Page 30, bold print and italics mine]

The author wrote that the incident appears in Hynek’s book The UFO Experience.”

I have Hynek’s UFO Report book but not the one cited.

I’m wondering if someone might look at their copy of the Experience book to see if there was more to the story, like what happened then, or if there was any kind of denouement.

The magazine piece ended the account with “It fell to the ground, apparently hurt.”



  • pp164-65--the only additional information is that one man involved was interviewed by strangers, who went home with him to retrieve the clothing and boots he had worn during the encounter.

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Tuesday, March 14, 2017  

  • Thanks, Bryan...

    That seems a little sh*tty.

    The account, which Hynek, said, in the article (in quotes) was from reliable men with security clearances. If one of these guys shot and apparently hit a "humanoid" (whether from somewhere outside the Earth or a human outside an Earthly craft), that would indicate a crime of some sort.

    That no follow-up seems available (or taken) is odd, yes?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, March 14, 2017  

  • "Unfortunately, [this] most convincing case [came to him] through private sources at the price of anonymity AND HENCE CANNOT BE FULLY DISCUSSED." (my emphasis)

    "Two are engaged in work requiring military clearance..."

    "The next day [after the encounter] although they reportedly had told no one of their bizarre experience, it was reported to [Hynek] that one of the men was called out from work and led into the presence of men had never seen before...(as I related in my first comment).

    This story is so lean on detail (giving rise to questions of the kind you pose), I can't imagine why Hynek includes it as the first and "most convincing case" in the CEIII chapter of the book. The restrictions in relating it should have inspired a more reflective presentation.

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Tuesday, March 14, 2017  

  • Extremely odd....

    Were the men that one of the guys "had never seen before" in the MIB category? (Maybe Nick Redfern has something on this.)

    At any rate, it's an intriguing tale, just too frothy to do anything with.

    Thanks, buddy, for the elaboration(s).


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, March 14, 2017  

  • I dug out my copy of the book, the only other addition is that one of the men claimed an MIB-like encounter the next day with 2 men who asked questions then left.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, March 15, 2017  

  • Oh, I just saw that Bryan had already provided the info! LOL

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, March 15, 2017  

  • It never hurts to have a confirming voice, especially from someone who is an expert on the MIB phenomenon.

    Thanks, Nick, as always.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, March 15, 2017  

  • It was typical MIB weirdness, as the guy said the two men seemed to be overly interested in the boots he had on at the time of the encounter - and then left!

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, March 15, 2017  

  • Rich -

    The story came from a guy I believe was an ATF agent named Flickenger. The alien, when hit, supposedly yelled, "What the hell did you do that for." Flickenger was heavily involved in the cattle mutilation nonsense of the early 70s which is how I ended up with his name. I got some of the details from his wife and then Flickenger called me to tell me not to mention his involvement, which, in the 70s seemed like the cordial thing to do because it could affect his job but we're now 45 or more years away and I doubt this will cause him any more trouble.

    The ultimate source of the story might have been a convict sitting in jail and gave the story so they would take him out for a private interview. The con said he knew about the cults involved in the mutilations.

    Anyway, that's what I have on this case without digging through a bunch of files I haven't looked at in many years.

    By Blogger KRandle, at Thursday, March 16, 2017  

  • Thanks Kevin:

    That's really a weird tale.

    I wonder why Hynek didn't pursue the story, as on the face of it, it was bizarre across the board.

    (I like how the "alien" used a slangy rejoinder when shot.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, March 16, 2017  

  • Rich--The case is given rather lengthier treatment in Hynek and Vallee's THE EDGE OF REALITY (Chapter 5: "The Night an Occupant Was Shot") and a cogent summary appears in Volume 3 of Jerry Clark's THE UFO ENCYCLOPEDIA ("North Dakota CE3").
    --Rob Swiatek

    By Blogger Rob Swiatek, at Saturday, March 18, 2017  

  • Thanks, Rob...

    I have Clark's UFO Encyclopedia and Vallee's Edge as an ebook.

    I'll look the incident up. It's oddly fascinating.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, March 18, 2017  

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