UFO Conjectures

Sunday, April 30, 2017

Psychedelic trips may open the mind, as some have suggested and created some UFO sightings?

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This was from a topic in my Facebook feed:

"A group of tripped out volunteers just helped scientists better understand what’s going on in the brain when people take psychedelic drugs such as LSD, ketamine, or the magic mushroom molecule, psilocybin, The Guardian reports. Brain activity was increased and more sporadic while under the influence, the researchers show in a study published today in Scientific Reports. They suggest that these findings could give a bit of credence to the hippy notion that psychedelics open up “a higher state of consciousness” in the mind. Although what all this extra brain activity means, and whether it is healthy, is still far from resolved."

My pal, Bryan Sentes, who teaches at Dawson College in Canada, is an advocate for psychedelia because many notables (Kant, Coleridge, Freud) have used some form of mind-altering substances that, circumstantially, indicates they have been propitious for them.
But there is no doubt (none) that psychedelics and/or hallucinogenics alter reality. Bryan Sentes thinks this is for the good, I believe.

Me? My contacts with people, under the influence of psychedelics and hallucinogenics (marijuana among them) showed me that they were not operating optimally.

And since psychedelics/hallucinogens, along with alcohol and certain medicines, affect mental function, as neuroscience has shown – click HERE – setting up drug-induced psychoses, can we assume that some UFO related events derive from drug or alcohol use: the Desvergers case in Florida, the Travis Walton, “ordeal,” and several other UFO incidents I’ve noted here?

Such self-induced psychoses (hallucinatory events) are temporary so UFO investigators will, usually, not find them, did not find them, when they investigate(d) a UFO sighting’s witness.

A psychedelic or hallucinogenic episode comes and goes, usually, unless one is addicted to their use, but such addiction would surely show itself to a trained UFO investigator.

UFO researchers are inept pretty much, so catching or seeing psychedelic/hallucinogenic use, or even alcoholic use, would be missed (and has been missed) by them.

Yet, especially nowadays when psychedelics and hallucinogenics are prevalent more than ever, UFO sighting accounts don’t take them into consideration.

And they have never been considered in those cases I’ve noted above and here, such as the Robert Taylor (Scotland) “attack” or the Betty/Barney Hill “abduction” scenario, during and after the “fact.”

Psychedelics/hallucinogens and alcohol may enhance mental acuity – I don’t believe they do – as some say they did for writers such as On the Road Jack Kerouac and his pals William S. Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg.
Psychedelics and mind-altering drugs are a problem, to my way of thinking, even as my buddy, Bryan Sentes, shows me otherwise.

That ufology has ignored psychedelics, hallucinogens, and alcohol is obvious, That such use may have an integral importance in UFO sightings, past and present, should be taken into account when UFO researchers offer a presentation of a UFO event they have studied.

(Cartoon image at top from vice.com)



  • 1. I don’t believe I ever claimed Kant, Coleridge, or Freud experimented with psychedelics (a term I use synonymously with ‘entheogen’, denoting substances such as psilocybin, LSD, mescaline, and DMT, (none of which by the way are addictive) but not other hallucinogens, such as cannabis, or other intoxicants, such as alcohol or cocaine). A good case can be made that the Eleusinian Mysteries involved a psychedelic (see The Road to Eleusis, Wasson et al.), and it is well-known that Plato, Aristotle, and several of the great tragedians were initiates. Well-known, too, is Lacan’s injecting Sartre with mescaline, arguably inspiring the famous tree-vision in the latter’s novel Nausea. So much for philosophers and entheogens. The implications are far from clear, but call for thought (for the philosophically minded!).
    2. I wouldn’t say “psychedelics alter reality” but the perception thereof, either altering said reality, creating a reality (hallucinations), or opening new dimensions of perception (“opening or expanding the mind”, the etymology of ‘psychedelic’). This latter effect is most interesting for ufology, as flying saucers and nonhuman intelligences and even abduction-like experiences have been associated with, at least, high-dose psilocybin and DMT. An experimental exploration of DMT-induced experiences can be found in Rick Strassman’s The Spirit Molecule (a documentary of which is viewable in YouTube), some implications of which are explored in his latter work, DMT and the Soul of Prophecy.
    3. The researches into DMT (an endogenous substance in every living thing on earth) suggest not so much that some UFO reports, famous or otherwise, were psychedelic experiences (e.g., the Hill case surely doesn’t sound like one; anyone familiar with either the abundant scholarly literature or the less-stringent “trip reports” on the Eorwid site, for example, will I think agree) but that some other mechanism may be at work that induces a spontaneous release of endogenous DMT that could imaginably evoke a UFO encounter experience or any other analogous encounter with an Other.
    4. As to psychedelics’ being potentially beneficial: Steve Jobs’ praise of LSD is well-known, and there is the controversial story of the role of LSD in the discovery of the form of the DNA molecule. Much research has been done and continued to be done on their relation to creativity and mental health: ketamine (strictly, a dissociative) has been shown to be of help in refractory depression; anecdotally, microdoses of LSD and Ayahuasca have potential here, as well; MDMA is being explored to help with PTSD; and psilocybin and LSD have both been shown to help with end-of-life anxiety in the terminally ill. Can entheogens be abused? Absolutely. Do they hold out potential benefits? Arguably so. Interested parties might check out the MAPS website...http://www.maps.org/

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • As always, Bryan, you overwhelm with erudition.

    I thought we once talked about Kant's use of an "enhancer" -- maybe not a psychedelic but something akin.

    The use of absinthe by artists, composers, et al. is well-known, but I think may have stymied their creative potential or acumen to some degree.

    Psychedelics, like alcohol, which many think is far worse than hallucinogens, are debilitating, as Oliver Sacks came to realize.

    I imagine that various mental altering drugs alleviate pain, and are efficacious. Persons in pain don't give a fig about creativity or right-thinking; they just want surcease from their affliction.

    I take your views, as you know, seriously. (You are one of the few people I know who has an inherent brilliance and astute brain-power.)

    So, let's see if other who read here have the guts to weigh in on the matter.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • I believe that in the UK heroin is used in hospice service. Of course here in the good old USA our government and medical community loath the use of heroin even though it was originally designed as a potent pain killer.

    Hint to all: we tend to under medicate for pain for fears of potential addiction and other paltry reasons.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • Tim:

    I was prescribed Tramadol for back pain but it was placed on the controlled substance list and that was that.

    I still have a half-bottle since I didn't find the stuff particularly helpful, but I know that those of us with unremitting pain would almost resort to anything that curtails the agony.

    The problem is that some without pain like the meds for recreational purposes; heroin for one. And there are profiteers who capitalize or want to on that unnecessary desire.

    So I understand the problem(s) for law enforcement and also the medical community.

    In Fort Wayne, there have been, recently, two doctors and their clinical staffs that prescribed, cavalierly, such drugs as those in the opioid category, creating a large class of dependent clients from whom they (the doctors) enriched themselves.

    It's that old saw about a few bad apples that makes the matter complicated and/or daunting.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • RE Kant: "After getting up, Kant would drink one or two cups of tea — weak tea. With that, he smoked a pipe of tobacco. The time he needed for smoking it 'was devoted to meditation.' Apparently, Kant had formulated the maxim for himself that he would smoke only one pipe, but it is reported that the bowls of his pipes increased considerably in size as the years went on."--I don't know if Kant's pipe tobacco was "strong tobacco" (Hegel was know to smoke) or "crackling tobacco" (Back smoked: the crackling came from the exploding hemp seeds!): it may have been this habit I may have alluded to at some point...At any rate, cannabis is not psychedelic, though psychedelics and cannabis have been classified as hallucinogens, such classifications being not very pharmacological...

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • That was the Kantian reference that got me to add Kant to the psychedelic category.

    There are so many notables who used hallucinogens, alcohol (for writers a must-have it seems), or psychedelics that one could do a longish thing about the use by the famous.

    For me, the ingestion of things, out of the ordinary, even such as thing as jalapeno, causes one to behave erratically, and disrupts neurological mechanisms in the process. (See Oliver Sacks' last book on the matter.)

    That drug-induced psychoses is prevalent, as medical practitioners see it, causes alarm to those of us who live moderate lives but intermingle in society.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • To add a comment on the "UFO" nature on the post. We rarely, ask the question concerning drug usage...illicit or prescription for legitimate issues. We have clinical evidence that show that a slight movement, up or down, in neurotransmitter activity can alter consciousness and self-awareness. Yet its either ignored or forgotten about due to scientific ignorance.

    I'm still under the view point that mind altering substances produce altered realities that conflict with the accepted awareness of our milieu. When one returns from a drug induced fugue state, the reality that they temporarily left is the same when the "return."

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • I've altered my post to clarify the difference between psychedelics and hallucinogens, as Bryan, subtly, corrects my input.

    As an advocate for caffeine, I'm being hypocritical, perhaps, about psychedelics and natural-occurring hallucinogens (mushrooms, cannibis, et cetera).

    But I'm referring to the misuse of such induced properties, especially those that become addictive, causing one to do things in the extreme to get their hands on their addictive need.

    Moreover, I suspect that using foreign substances, of any kind, imposes changes on one's neurological system, changes that are debilitating rather than favorable, except coffee, of course. (I have a few Keurig machines at hand.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • Tim:

    When psychiatry introduced drugs to cure or alter psychotic behavior, especially schizophrenia, I was doggedly against their use even though I saw, clinically (when in attendance at at hospital for the "insane" as it was known by lay people -- Eloise Hospital, Wayne County General outside of Detroit) that the drugs seemed to calm psychotic people down.

    But your point is well-taken as those who were given drugs would, inevitably, revert to psychotic behavior when off their meds, which is a common meme in fiction (books, movies, TV shows).

    The alteration of behavior by drugs, psychedelics and otherwise, is not conducive to mental repair. Maybe that's why psychoanalytic methodologies are experiencing a kind of renascence.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • Before attributing a UFO experience to some exogenous alteration of brain chemistry, e.g., a 170kg, 30-year-old male ingesting 5g dried psilocybin mushrooms for the first time, it would go a long way to sample the existing clinical and anecdotal reports concerning subjects' experiences of "intoxication" by various substances, not ignoring the (mind) "set & setting". One does find UFO-related material in psilocybin and DMT induced states, for example. It's this latter data that has inspired Strassman's speculations. How a subject's being under the influence of some powerful hallucinogen might account for ground traces or radar returns and other "hard" forensic evidence is of course another matter.

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • Some "ground traces" can be attributed to machinations of the UFO witness, Bryan.

    I cite the 1979 Robert Taylor "assault" a favorite of mine, which I have suggested was a possible AI intrusion that Mr. Taylor confronted (or confronted him).

    Markings were found at the site of his alleged encounter and his pants were torn as if he were dragged along the ground by something.

    I surmise that Mr. Taylor, under the sway of an epileptic attacked, as some UFO investigators have proposed, was dragged by his dog who was being protective of his master in the circumstances, causing the torn pants and the ground markings.

    What was the size of the dog? And had Mr. Taken any medicines? No one asked as far as I can tell.

    Such "ground traces" as you note may well have been produced by prosaic or mundane activity by the UFO witness under the influence of his or her hallucinatory state.

    As for radar, tracking (and traces) are open to inquiry. Did the radar operator see what he or she thought they saw? There are no print-outs or hard-core data to confirm their observations, are there?

    Yet, I agree that some UFO sightings or events took place. leaving trace amounts and radar data that seems to show something odd having taken place or observed.

    (I've attributed such occurrences to AI machines, possibly, as you know.)

    My point, if I have one, is that UFO investigators haven't pursued the sightings to an extent that some of the issues can be confirmed or resolved.

    Yes, UFOs are a real, tangible phenomenon, but one inside the realm of those seeing them en mass or alone?

    We don't know. Ufology has been inept as a research methodology, yes?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • From what I have seen in other cases that I have reviewed no two witnesses ever describe the event identically even though the conditions are identical.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • Perception is such an entangled sense, that's not surprising to me, Tim.

    UFO investigators usually ignore the differences, selecting the elements that their biases enjoy, rather than what should be recorded in toto.

    This goes, in part, to Bryan's mention of "forensics." There is no such thing in ufology and never has been.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • If we are restricting our conversation to psychedelics and UFO experiences, anyone familiar with the effects of those agents capable of inducing anything resembling such an experience (DMT, LSD, psilocybin) will know the subject would lack the motor coordination and powers of concentration to fake landing traces. As to there never having been "forensics", I imagine RR you're referring to primarily the American situation. It took five minutes for me to find a case from the 50s in France where officials conducted forensic investigation of ground traces, (see Vallee, Anatomy of a Phenomenon, pp 68-69)...

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • I don't consider ground traces as faked, Bryan, just inadvertent happenings from the throes of an hallucinogenic episode.

    (See the 1979 Scotland Taylor case for a possible example.)

    The Vallee incident you cite shows what? That a flying saucer seemingly left a few marks on a railroad tie?

    I can accept that AI craft from elsewhere may leave trace elements in their sojourn and confrontation with Earth or Earthlings.

    But, over all, trace residue doesn't tell me much. Now if an unknown element, chemical, or metallic was found within or near the ground trace, we'd have something. But that hasn't happened, has it?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • The Taylor case MAY have involved an epileptic fit; LSD and psilocybin tend not to induce convulsions, nor leave traces like those in the case Vallee reports.

    RE the case from Vallee: my point was only that forensic study of "landing sights" has indeed been carried out by reputable, rigorous institutions, here GEPAN/SERPA, contra your remark such "has never happened". What the conclusions from these investigations prove is of course another matter.

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • We only have a difference about what consists of "forensics," Bryan.

    Saying that investigators performed forensics and whether investigators really employed forensics is a matter for discussion, yes?

    UFO investigation has been slipshod at best. You know that. We all know that.

    As for persons induced to hallucination, how can we know? No one has followed up by determining what UFO witnesses ingested before their experience or observation, UFO buffs too excited about the alleged thing seen usually; that is, carried away by the sighting and oblivious to detail(s) that may be or may have been relevant, essential.

    There is, as I see it, a dearth of investigatory regimen, then and now, still.

    I've had three UFO observations; one with a group of others, one with a whole city (Detroit) in thrall, and another, alone with my dog.

    Was I high on alcohol, drugs, or ate something that caused my brain to see these things? Nope. And the Detroit sighting would have to have been a massive hallucination.

    Yet, I think some, maybe many, UFO events are promulgated by something neurological or else created by Jose Caravaca's "external agent" (maybe even Vallee's control agency).

    It's the reason this blog is called contemplative. We really don't know.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

  • In a lot of cases, there's another drug involved: fame, fortune ... Look at my favourite Poe Scott waring. These douches are even called researchers in published media. No wonder it's hard to take the good cases seriously. That is when I need a drink...

    By Blogger dubious f, at Sunday, April 30, 2017  

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