UFO Conjectures

Friday, May 26, 2017

The Ramey memo is back (in the news)?

Two stories today, 5/26/17, from Google Alerts, about the Ramey memo.....

One about David Rudiak's efforts:


And one about the memo, generally (Rudiak mentioned):




  • Rich, ingenious or dubious, that you would evoke Roswell. Eye candy for the faithful, but you could have sweetened the pot by adding a Mogul balloon citation.

    Psychic pathology, but what is the mere grouping of symptom vs. that of the actual ailment? Perhaps Roswell could be classified as a "syndrome" or a "cluster."

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Friday, May 26, 2017  

  • Roswell is an ongoing delusion , which you are probably familiar with Tim: autochthonous delusion.

    For Roswell, the delusion has stretched into a mythic phase, which is more than a mass hallucination, or mass hysteria.

    (The Christian mythos is a similar delusion, which I think you disavow.)

    The delusion is evolutionary in process.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, May 26, 2017  

  • On the matter of that alleged "victims of the wreck" issue, even if that's what it says, it still doesn't prove anything. Here's what I have to say about this issue in my new Roswell book:

    QUOTE: ...There is, however, an issue that seldom gets discussed when it comes to the matter of the Ramey Memo. The full-on “Roswell was E.T.” believer would most likely say that a reference to “victims” is the smoking-gun we have sought for so long; a smoking-gun which makes a reference to the aliens found on-board the wrecked UFO, or somewhere else on the huge Foster Ranch. But, does it, really? Well, it certainly could; but I suggest not. And I will tell you exactly why.

    I find the use of that specific word – “victims” – to be both odd and potentially revealing. I would have thought that terms like “the crew,” “the pilots,” “the spacemen,” or “the beings” would have been far more appropriate when it came to describing strange-looking entities that arrived from another world with no warning. “Victims” suggests something else. In fact, I would go so far to say that just the word “victims” itself has an undeniable human, even emotion-filled, quality attached to it, rather than something we might apply to a definitively unearthly alien. END QUOTE

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Friday, May 26, 2017  

  • You make a valid point Nick.

    Use of the word "victim" would indicate, in normal parlance, that anything found (bodies in this case) were the result of something being done to them, not casualties of an accident.

    And casualty would have have been a better word to describe "beings" brought to Earth by accident, their own.

    Victim tells me something or some(bodies) were delivered to the ground by the action(s) of others.

    Did the Army Air Force shoot down a flying saucer with ETs in it? Or did "subjects" of an experiment end up hurt or dead by the deeds of those performing an experiment?

    David Rudiak's "victims" is a stretch for ETs but just right for your Japanese internees.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, May 26, 2017  

  • @RRRGroup

    Dr. Steven M. Greer told that the Roswell UFO has been downed. But when it really downed, who downed the UFO in Aurora, Texas 1897 because Greer think that UFO cant crash. The Word "victims" can also mean something else! And indeed when that Roswell was not the first Crash and one knew who was sitting in the UFOs because that would not be the first salvage.

    Ardy Sixkiller Clarke describes in her Book "Encounters with Starpeople" a Witness who told of a UFO Crash before Roswell, in the Chapter "An Encounter that Pre-Dates Roswell"


    By Blogger Michael Loengard, at Friday, May 26, 2017  

  • If you are looking for a laugh, read Rudiak's supremely delusional full text of the memo. There are few things funnier than picturing him trying out saucer nut words and trying to somehow fit them into the memo.

    Take a quick read of what his fevered imagination actually believes the full memo says. Yes, it is gibberish (even considering the way the military might use jargon). Of course it makes no sense at all.

    UFO Belief makes the world a worse place to live.

    By Blogger Lance, at Friday, May 26, 2017  

  • Quote:

    "Rudiak says he now can read 80 percent of the document, and it confirms there were “crash victims” and the craft was in fact a “disc.”

    Was "in fact a disc" and not a ballon or so with japanese Children, Mr. Redfern! :-)

    By Blogger Michael Loengard, at Friday, May 26, 2017  

  • I hold that no words can be discerned with any certainty. Rudiak has countered such arguments by asserting there is a concensus (his word) on a core reading, with a few peripheral variants. But when you challenge his claim of consensus by pointing out all the labs and hi-tech equipment used to read the memo, and how these attempts came up empty, Rudiak assures us that no one has done more work on the memo than himself, therefore, anyone who disagrees with his reading is, ipso facto, unqualified to comment!

    Using saucer logic, Rudiak has effectively defined "concensus" as "Rudiak."

    That's ufological "science."

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Sunday, May 28, 2017  

  • ML: I have never written about Japanese children in relation to Roswell. Japanese pilots? Yes. Japanese children. Nope.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Sunday, May 28, 2017  

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