UFO Conjectures

Wednesday, August 29, 2012

Rumi's mystical vision or a UFO sighting?

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Jelaluddin Rumi (aka Jalāl ad-Dīn Muḥammad Balkhī [1207-1273], the Sufi mystic, provided this poetic passage, which can be found in The Essential Rumi, [Quality Paperback book Club, NY, 1995, Page 263 ff.]:

The Visions of Daquqi

“One day I was going along….

I came to the shore at twilight and saw seven candles.

I hurried along the beach toward them. The light of each lifted into the sky.

 I was amazed. My amazement was amazed. Waves of bewilderment broke over my head.

What are these candles that no one seems to see?

…Then the seven became one, in the middle of the sky’s rim…

Then that seven fanned out again.

There were connections between the candles that cannot be said.

I saw, but I cannot say.

I ran closer. I fell. I lay there awhile.

I got up and ran again. I had no head and no feet.

They became seven men. And then seven trees, so dense with leaves and fruit that no limbs were visible.

Flashes of light spurted from each fruit like juice!

,..hundreds of thousands of people were passing beside the trees…and no one saw the trees.

…If anyone had said, Look! Over here! they would have thought him insane or drunk.

How can this happen? Or am I dreaming?”

This passage in not atypical of other mystical visions of the saints or other religious avatars.

But it also resembles some of the visions or testimony of UFO witnesses, especially those witnesses that Spanish UFO researcher Jose Caravaca has provided for us.

A perusal of UFO encounters will offer similar, quasi-mystical accounts; e.g., The 1968 Buff Ledge, Vermont account, the 1974 Carl Higdon episode, the 1977 Tom Dawson encounter, et cetera.

We are faced with alternatives: either Rumi’s Daquqi had a UFO sighting or those UFO witnesses noted above had a mystical experience, one that has been given a UFO patina.

Richard Bucke’s masterpiece, Cosmic Consciousness deals with sudden epiphanies – visions of things transcendent and beyond splendor or reason.

The Daquqi account is one such epiphany. But are some UFO encounters epiphanies also? Just marred by being transcribed in prosaic terms by UFO researchers not versed in mystical literature?

Just exactly what are mystical visions? Mental aberrations? Or a peek into a reality that lies outside the mundane world?

And what exactly are UFO sightings?



  • This really is an excellent post and I'm glad that you did it.
    A whole hell of a lot of people have been saying for a long while now that the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis is just one theory. It's a possible explanation, but it's far from the only game in town. What we term as "UFOs" may end up be far more metaphysical and even weirder than we currently understand. Who knows how many experiences rooted solely in consciousness have been given..as you aptly put it...a UFO patina.


    By Blogger Jon Nichols, at Thursday, August 30, 2012  

  • Thanks, Jon...

    Your blog, despite our not being linked there (ahem) covers the uber-reality or the sub rosa reality that is the real reality -- the reality that Plato (and others) have pointed to.

    It's the reality that is beclouded by lots of foolish overlay, UFOs being one of those veneers.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, August 30, 2012  

  • Ok ok. I know a threat when I hear one. :) lol I'm caught red-handed being nothing more than a lazy punk. I'll add your blog to my links right now.

    By Blogger Jon Nichols, at Friday, August 31, 2012  

  • Thanks, Jon...

    We've reciprocated and your blog is linked, on the right.


    It's our pleasure to provide your blog to our erudite regulars.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, August 31, 2012  

  • I suspect that Rumi being a poet and the progenitor of the ecstatic school of Sufism, which is one of many schools that are on the esoteric end of Islam, was expressing the maxim, "There is no God but God." Another way of putting this is the concept that all is One, or interconnected deeply, whether it is stars, human beings trees, etc. To me the dead give away is the seven stars became one, and then from there, he extrapolates "shining visions" or differentiations of manifest light. So, I doubt the ET connection..but you underlying theme of overlaying everything with ET rather than a more deeply thought connection wins my laurels. Hats off to you.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, September 01, 2012  

  • "Just exactly what are mystical visions? Mental aberrations? Or a peek into a reality that lies outside the mundane world?

    "And what exactly are UFO sightings?"

    I personally think you're onto to something here Rich assuming this isn't one of your boomerang jobbies where you suddenly switch 180 degrees and start hurtling in the opposite direction.

    The history of all religions's always been populated by two basic mind streams or approaches to dealing with mystico-religious phenomena.

    The Message Adherents who concentrate on the actual experiences as effects which transform the experiencers as well as those who hear of the experiences.

    And the Messenger Adherents who quite reasonably think it's more important to verify the authenticity and credentials of the messenger and the message before commiting themselves further.

    People talk about the threat of Islam as if it's some unified whole but the entire religion's rent from top to bottom on just those two lines alone never mind a host of other lines and sub-lines.

    And exactly the same thing applies to UFOs Sasquatches ghosts etc etc.

    I can't tell you what mystical experiences are.

    As one who seems to be one of the world's saner loonies or what they used to call in the old days a born mystic I can tell you the experiences themselves are real.

    Intensively vivid and packed to the tits with details and data you could spend aeons reviewing or trying to write down.

    The entirety of all space and time that ever was or ever will be really does seem to wink out of existence and all that's left for an eternity is this single dimensionless scintilla which may or may not be onself.

    There really is such an experience as the 'Mind of God' and realising you're a thought in it thinking your own thoughts.

    'Angels' really do plunge swords of light into your chest and you have these amazing orgasms in your heart.

    'Gods' and intergalactic/time travellers of all kinds really do visit y'u and invite you to decide things like who gets to live and who gets to die.

    In fact 'Death' even comes for you yourself and slaughters you over and over again in all kinds of strange and disturbing ways only to then apparently change 'Its' mind for the umpteenth time until eventually the novelty wears off and you start putting your foot down.

    And you really do turn the corner on the high street and think fuck is this even the same universe as the Earth!

    So when you ask're mystical visions mental aberrations?


    They sure as hell can cause mental aberrations because if you manage to get past the going insane stage and topping yourself phase then you're confronted by the endless ego engrandisement possibilities such as being told God personally invented ice cream before 'He' even thought of making the world just for you.

    Ufology's rife with examples of people either going off their rocker and topping themselves or starting their own cults or even religions.

    And I can full well understand why they've gone down those routes and I can't even tell them they're wrong.

    All I can say is it ain't for me mate.

    In short yes mystical visions are a peek into a 'reality' that lies outside the mundane world but whether that 'reality''s any more real than the fleetingly grey ghostly blur this world is for many people all depends on the degree you buy into that reality or this.

    By Blogger alanborky, at Saturday, September 01, 2012  

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