UFO Conjectures

Monday, November 26, 2012

Ufology is dying and ufologists with it


A few of our regular visitors have noted that the UFO phenomenon no longer grabs their interest.

They, as one regular put it, are indifferent to UFOs and related matters.

The death of “prominent” UFO mavens this year -- with more to come by years end -- will decimate the moribund UFO topic.

UFO Updates is in trouble.

The Paracast’s Gene Steinberg was evicted from his home, but continues to operate out of a hotel, he told us the last time he filled us in during another plea for help/money from the UFO crowd. Paracast is tainted.

The aging UFO researchers are either ill or near-death, many divorced and struggling to maintain a UFO identity, but without cachet any longer or credibility.

Younger UFO enthusiasts have moved on, to other activities, and a more wholesome life.

And the really young UFO hobbyists just don’t exist. UFOs are an icky item for them.

While UFOs continue to be seen – or so we’re told – they no longer thrill nor have relevance for those with good minds and common sense.

We’ll continue to rattle on here for a while, but even we – and this oldster – will have to forsake UFOs for things pertinent to life as it is in 2013 and beyond, as we’re doing with our web-sites and blogs outside the UFO arena.



  • Ironic, given how your recent post on Tesla/Marconi/Secret technology/ south American cities harmonizes with the thoughts of the whole "after disclosure" crowd, which harmonizes with an important value of the UFO mythology as such, that technology, whether ET or secret, will solve the troubles technology (read "industrialization") has caused! I.e. within the context of a growing public anxiety over climate change, a fantasy concerning "free energy" should find various forms of expression.

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Monday, November 26, 2012  

  • Ah, but Bryan, that trend is outside the UFO milieu, even though there are slight connections.

    Once the UFO patina is gone, thinkers can address real issues, tangible issues, while "ufologists" and their addled ilk continue to muck around in the mythical UFO swill.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, November 26, 2012  

  • I think there is still quite a bit to be gained from looking back as hopefully we gained some insights into other topics as well as the foibles of human nature, which are pertinent to other, more contemporary cultural myths and how they come about and why. How direct experience is superimposed on by inference and suggestion is one. The enormous hurdle of measuring and evaluating experiential accounts that run contrary to either our knowledge or consensus is another.
    As far as shedding one skin ( hard craft) versus adding a context of neurology or other root causes, in hindsight this seems inevitable.
    Is any of this solved? Of course not. Does it matter what others may think or drop out or move on? No.
    Does it matter that there is no future in this as it was originally conceptualized as having a single root cause? No.
    I remain convinced that gauging this by the contaminating psychological sources of culture, the events that colored this, all the baggage that deflected a more sober approach..is not any answer.
    I do not cast any negative thoughts regarding throwing ones hands up in the air and saying, "that's it, enough is enough..!"
    I do think there is a reasonable series of causes to suggest there is something unknown, unanticipated, and manipulative lurking under the cover of my own and others babble about it..I would say it has as many masks as we care to throw at it. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater seems a waste of all the answers still to be determined. I may get sick of the subject but I would be a fool to think that has anything to do with the fact none of this has been taken to any conclusion other than burning out on it, with no end in sight. Either this can be a appealing or dismaying this loss of naive awe.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, November 26, 2012  

  • An important distinction for me is to distinguish the ufological "swill" as you term it, the flailings of a pseudoscience, from the more general mythos and its significance of which said swill is but a part! Head on over to "Silver Screen Saucers" for instance, for one look into the place of the myth in the popular culture, which place has always been what is interesting to me, personally, intellectually and creatively. Nevertheless, your point re aforementioned pseudoscience is, I think, well taken.

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Monday, November 26, 2012  

  • I like Bruce's approach, that there is still much to be learned from the history of the phenomenon. One lesson that history teaches is that it is cyclical, waxing and waning, and the present nadir or activity/interest may be a prelude to an entirely new chapter. Moreover, just WHAT was all that about from, say 1947-1997 or so? ALL just "misidentifications" and miasma? And even IF the UFO phenomenon as such is only of passing historical consequence, that, too, remains of interest: Hegel, knowing better, devoted many pages to phrenology, because the
    "truth is the whole".

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Monday, November 26, 2012  

  • Bryan, you and Bruce make valid points, and the gestalt of UFOs may prove to be monumental as Anthony Bragalia keeps telling me.

    But my point is that some former UFO aficionados don't care any longer.

    They've moved on.

    UFOs may end up being the most exciting story in human history - I embellish - but ennui has set in and, as Sartre noted, once that happens, the "process" - interest - can't be recaptured, even with much effort.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, November 26, 2012  

  • Where are the trained investigators who would go to an alleged ufo landing site, scour the ground and trees and occasionally find some evidence (pod marks, burnt grass/soil, damaged trees). I don't read about that anymore.

    Alot more seems to have been done when the old APRO was operating as well as the earlier versions of CUFOS and MUFON. I don't really know what the latter two exist as currently - maybe UFOish social clubs.

    When I read older investigated accounts done by those who've passed on (J. Allen Hynek, Jim & Coral Lorenzen, even Budd Hopkins) and those retired (Ray Fowler) - the ground details of the investigations that yielded evidence (as I referred to earlier) never illicited a public acknowlegement from mainstream scientists. Maybe, at best, some astonomer would say it was "interesting"; unless there is unbeknownst to us some "invisible college" still operating in stealth, who's looked at the data collected?

    The internet has facilitated the individual "experiencer" of a ufo sighting or worse (contact/abduction) to tell his or her own narrative to the world. Put up a blog and you're good to go.

    Here's something interesting - to me anyway. The ufo sightings (close ones) from the earlier part of the 20th century ,for the most ,are quite similar or identical to those of today. Two examples of that era - Ray Fowler's mother, as a teenager circa 1916, saw with friends a disc-shaped craft with multi-colored lights on it. Of course it frightened her and her friends and their parents were disturbed by it telling the teens to hush about it. Her sighting lines up very closely with my late grandfather's sighting that took place in Ankara Turkey a year afterward. But, he (and his cousin) put it in the context of a demon or djinn as they discussed it with their Armenian Orthodox priest shortly afterwards. My grandfather continued to have close sightings, now and then, after he immigrated to America. He didn't come to know about "flying saucers", "flying discs" and "ufos" until those words emerged after the mid-1940s.

    So, I think ufo sightings will continue and worse (contacts/abductions) but it will be the individual who, once again, will shoulder the burden like prior to the investigator-era. Some will interpret what they've seen in a religious context, others as something else.

    And we still have no idea where these things originate from - ETH, EDH, PSH, Crypto, Demonic). UFOs and their occupants seem to defy a definition.

    And, that whole Gene Steinberg thing is a sorry story. IMO, a man who lived beyond his means with a spouse who went through the dough. Very sad, but no one who listens to his program should be 'guilted' into sending in money.

    ~ Susan

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Monday, November 26, 2012  

  • Susan,

    As usual, we are on the same page, in the same book.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, November 26, 2012  

  • I find myself growing weary of Ufology, especially with the woo woo lunatics that have taken over (I won't name names, but many are a generation or two behind the UFO geezers leaving the field). Their ongoing brainless clamor for "disclosure" (like they're on auto-pilot) is self-serving and often mercenary. After all, it's pretty obvious that there's nothing to disclose and world governments are as clueless about UFOs as the man on the street. They certainly behave just that way.

    I'm weary of second- and third-hand hearsay testimony (even if it comes from former military or intelligence honchos). By the way, military, police, pilots, and intelligence officers have no more credibility than civilians, but Ufology keeps granting it to them anyway for no good reason.

    Oh, and about all those fairy tales of incredible films and photos that have been confiscated by the military and shadowy agencies since the early 1950s, how many of them do you believe ever actually existed in the first place? My guess is none.

    The never ending postings of images of obviously terrestrial aircraft taken from unusual angles; bugs and birds zipping by the lens; meteors, stars and planets; aircraft landing lights; dust motes and gnats caught in a camera flash; Chinese lanterns and balloons; RCAs; and outright hoaxes done with toys that light up have led me to conclude there is no such thing as a valid UFO image (even some of the most revered images from the past have been outed as hoaxes). I can hardly wait until we reach that momentous date in the near future when the FAA opens US skies to tens of thousands of civilian drones of all shapes and sizes. Hoo boy! Get ready for a miles-high tidal wave of bogus UFO images.

    I was hoping with the disgrace of David Jacobs and passing of Bud Hopkins the alien abduction religious hysteria would begin to subside. The bad news -- a younger and even more whacky group has picked up that baton (Do you carry the RH negative factor in your blood? You've been abducted and impregnated or are a hybrid.).

    UFOs by definition are simply things seen flying that can't be identified by the observer. It does not logically follow that because that observer has a deficient knowledge base to draw on that the thing seen was an inter-dimensional spacecraft from Alpha Centuri filled with bug-eyed reptilian aliens come to steal our sperm and eggs. Yet many in Ufology believe and advocate exactly that. I'm sorry for them their lives are so boring and empty that they need to feed on this bullshit to find meaning and relevance.

    I've had a couple of unexplainable sightings. Members of my family have had other sightings. We don't know what we witnessed or what the explanations for what we saw might be, and we don’t pretend to. We hypothesize a lot about the phenomenon, but have no proof for our hypotheses (and neither does anyone else in Ufology who hypthesizes). We just saw stuff we can’t identify or explain based on what we know.

    Do I believe there is a phenomenon regularly occurring for which we have no frame of reference or definition in our current science, culture, religion, and philosophy? Yes, I do, so I’m not a skeptic. Do I believe Ufology will ever provide a valid explanation for it? No. Ufology is just a hodgepodge of crazy cults whose members engage in fantasy, role playing, pointless macho bickering, and self-agrandisement.

    I do believe an explanation for the phenomenon inevitably will come, but it will come from traditional hard science practiced by professionals. That explanation most likely will be the by-product of serious, focused research (you know, following universally accepted scientific methodology) into some other seemingly unrelated topic or field. The one thing of which I am certain is that no true explanation ever will come from Ufology.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Monday, November 26, 2012  

  • I would disagree...being a "professional" amongst a younger group of "professionals" in the Midwest, your ufological message is heard daily. The Paracast has given us Keel, O'Brien, and Layne; and your blog posts have highlighted Caravaca, Redfern, and Camus (?-wow). Don't give up on the younger crowd quite yet...there is a group out there that may be quiet, but nonetheless they are a group who appreciates the work done by parties such as yourself. For every ether ship there is an airship, and for every airship there is an egg shaped craft, and for every egg shape craft there is 8 ft tall, oriental humanoid. There is a creative. intellectual following out there; please don't fall victim to the idea that our generation is lost.

    By Blogger wittikko, at Monday, November 26, 2012  

  • Hello. I woke up this morning and found that I was alive. This did not surprise me. I also found that Patrick Huyghe was putting together a UFO research panel for the Society for Scientific Exploration meeting in June, including Eddie Bullard, Mark Rodeghier, and myself. Both of them were alive and healthy when I checked.

    When I returned to Kalamazoo last evening, there was my young friend, in his thirties, who is writing a comprehensive study of the Hillsdale-Dexter Swamp Gas fiasco. He was alive and healthy and gave me a ride home. A young man came from Western Michigan University the month of August --- writing a Master's thesis involving a UFO connection. An art show on campus was rather good and the artist was inspired by UFOs in her work.

    I am surprised to discover that we are all dead or hospitalized, or that some people want us to be so they can move on.

    Michael D Swords, first author of the UFO History Group's UFOs and Government.

    By Blogger The Professor, at Wednesday, November 28, 2012  

  • Ah, Michael...

    We geezers like to think we're alive as well as "ufology."

    We're merely participants in a dream.

    However, as an intern reporter (for The Detroit NEWS, who covered the 1966 Ann Arbor/Dexter/Hillsdale UFO sighting, I shall be interested in what your young minion has to say about that sighting.

    Being in contact with Ronald Mannor, Frank Mannor's son who saw the apparition with his dad, I think the event was tangible and real.

    But what was it? That is question that can't be answered.

    If one wants to excoriate J. Allen, one can do that.

    But retreading the sighting is, as Bruce Duensing notes here, a effort in futility.

    But us oldies don't seem to know that. Senility rears its ugly head.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, November 28, 2012  

  • Your comment to my post is to call me senile??

    By Blogger The Professor, at Wednesday, November 28, 2012  

  • No, Michael, I'm chastising my own obsession with UFOs, and those of the UFO geezer set who continue to think UFOs are a worthy contender for thought and effort.

    You seem to be taking this a bit too seriously.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, November 28, 2012  

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