UFO Conjectures

Sunday, August 18, 2013

The UFO/Matrix “Gods”

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Let me be clear, or try to be….

There is a phenomenon that has a reality; it is known as the UFO phenomenon.

What the essence of that phenomenon is remains a question for this interested in the esoteric topic.

For me, and a few others who visit here, the phenomenon is, in part – in part! – derived from neurological and/or psychological mischief – mental maladies. [My inclination]

For others the UFO phenomenon represents visitations or intrusions by extraterrestrial beings or cultures, maybe even humans from our future (or past).

For some, UFOs just do not exist; they are a figment of society, brought about by confabulation, fraud, or media mischief, even government disinformation.

Then there are those who believe UFO accounts are the diary entries of persons who have been selected to receive input from an external force or entity who wishes to enhance human-kind by providing, seemingly insane scenarios, from which humans can derive evolutionary intelligence to advance humanity, to bring humans to a better life and understanding of reality, the real reality.

This external presence, called upon by Vallee, Jose Caravaca, Kimball, and others, is not unlike God; yes the theological or religiously oriented God that many, even those cited here, are loath to believe in.

This external force – God – (or the Trickster for those inclined to use a concept that irks) is palpable, an understandable (if one really tries) and omnipresent element in UFO lore.

But God – The [real] God – is ineffable – a thing beyond knowing, as philosophers and even theologians have it.

Why would the True God be mucking about with petty beings who have no qualitative import in the great scheme of things?

Even if one were to ascribe the interacting UFO force or entities to an aspect of God, like the Holy Ghost, how does that make sense to Cabalists or the 13th Century Scholastics and a raft of philosophers before and after the 1200s?

It doesn’t.

When we UFO buffs get into a mysterious presence at the heart of the UFO phenomenon, we are entering a theological-like mind-set, and I don’t think UFOs are worthy of such.

UFOs are a manifestation of an odd, as yet unknowable series of things-seen or interacted with, a phenomenon for the quirky.

That anyone thinks they are the result of a push by and external force or forces, making us co-creators with it or them, to enhance mankind with some obscure, irrational machinations, is a bit much, for me.

I’ll stick with the God of Old, as dead as He/It may be.

That makes as much sense or more to my mind than a playful, giddy entity having fun with ignorant humans, out for a night stroll or a ride home from vacation.



  • And let me be clear (said with good humour)- I don't think we're dealing with the "God of Old" or the ultimate Being in the universe (should there be such a thing)... rather some other intelligence that we have at times called "God" (or "the gods").

    Of course, there is also the possibility that at a basic level (call it a quantum level), we are all God, and God is us - in which case, the things we are seeing are things we have created ourselves at some fundamental level.

    As my Dad would say - put that in your pipe and smoke it! :-)


    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • A Gnostic view (or neo-Gnostic view) Paul?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • Luke 17:21 [KJV] - “The kingdom of God is within you”.

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • And that Kingdom is the neurological or psychological matrix, is it not?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • But what is that matrix all about? Are we just meat-based computers, or is there much more in there... and out there as well (as George Harrison wrote, within and without you)? That is the fundamental question underlying all aspects of the so-called paranormal, I believe - including UFOs.


    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • "You are encircled by the arms
    of the mystery of God." - Hildegarde of Bingen

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • Ah, the question of the soul or mind.

    That's something I hope to present for discussion here upcoming.

    There are fascinating debates and new information about mind, consciousness, and the brain, ongoing in academic circles.

    The gist of those debates or discussions impact UFOs or can.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • The great mystics - which include the Christian mystics - have been wrestling with this topic from the beginning of recorded history. Jesus, for example (the greatest of all Christian mystics, although I suppose that it would be more accurate to view him as a Jewish mystic) - in John 12: 21 - 23 [KJV]:

    "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."

    As I noted in my podcast with Dean Radin (you probably drowsed off at this point), this mystical core has been buried by the established churches for most of the last 2,000 years (with the odd exception), but it's still there, open to a much more interesting interpretation and discussion than you'll find coming from most pulpits.


    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • P.S. Just for you! :-)


    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • Note: I meant John 17: 21 - 23, of course - I typed the wrong number.

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • The great Patti Smith; a relevant diversion, perhaps.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • Why is the ETH sought/given as an explanation for many UFO (and abduction) reports? Some suggestions . . .

    Physiological reasons:

    Grand Mal or Petit Mal epilepsy with hallucinations during seizures, with Petit Mal being the stronger candidate because it is less disruptive to physical functioning and can sometimes go unnoticed by others and undiagnosed when seizures are rare and/or of short duration.

    Sleep paralysis coupled with half-waking dreams. Exceptionally vivid dreaming coupled with

    Hallucinations brought on by drugs (prescription, OTC, and/or illegal) and/or alcohol used alone or in combinations (repeated use leading to recurring "experiences").

    Visual challenges (undiagnosed need for corrective lenses; not wearing corrective lenses at the time of the "event").

    Psychological reasons:


    Extreme psychological stress in another area of life leading to brief psychotic episodes or brief episodes of psychotic-like thinking.

    Confabulation/lying motivated by:

    A need for attention or to be "special".

    A need to belong to a special or elite group (relates to a. above). Both a. and b. could be related to strong feelings of isolation, rejection, and/or loneliness.

    Monetary gain through self-promotion by telling the story in books, articles, Web sites, podcasts, TV/radio appearance, etc.

    A need for celebrity, even if only minor celebrity (e.g., giving a talk at the neighborhood community center, interviewed by local TV/radio, generating a host of blog visits, etc.). This can relate to a., b., as well as c. above.

    Very poor or under-developed reality testing skills coupled with a highly imaginative/emotional personality.

    Practical jokes that subsequently took on lives of their own (the Travis Walton "event" is a strong candidate for being one of these).

    Manufacturing fictional "evidence" for a strongly-held and zealously espoused belief that is rejected by one's social circle or community (e.g., "I know it's true because it happened to me.")

    All of the above are influenced by prevailing cultural memes and sociological norms. Aliens and UFOs are by now almost ubiquitous icons across most of the world's cultures, likely because of mankind's own SciFi-like scientific advances, adventures in space exploration, and the pervasiveness of technology. We've turned our gods, angels, demons, benevolent and evil spirits, fairies, minor deities, demiurges, etc., into extraterrestrials in order to fit them into our contemporary world view.

    Extra-human entities have been with us as long as we've been Homo sapiens. We've just dressed them in clothes to suit our times. Why we continue to need to both create and believe in them and what they represent to us strikes me as a deep-seated need to avoid responsibility for our lives and our world, as well as a need to shift that burden of responsibility onto some amorphous "others".

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • PG:

    Sartre would love you.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • We've just dressed them in clothes to suit our times.

    Or they have changed their clothing and we have followed along.

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • The God-dynamic is so ingrained in humanity that one has to feel that there is something to it.

    And rearranging God's garb or personality to fit the times may have taken place, is taking place, but the thing being clothed remains, in essence, as always: an ass who torments humankind for sport.

    (Jung's "Answer to Job" sums it up, for me.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • RRRGroup -

    ...anyone who knows me knows also that I lack the gravitas to discuss G-d...

    Yet, as you may be aware, your respected fellow UFO researching Michigan-entity, who you fondly refer to as 'The Professor' has in his home a private chapel which is not that common for Roman Catholics that I've been acquainted with.

    ..therefore, may I suggest you respectfully request that he post a comment on this topic?

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • for PG:

    ...of course, there remains a possibility (unlikely as it seems) that most UFO reports are simply an accurate account of exactly what they say happened.

    ...put another way, what the witnesses said happened did... if so, I haven't any idea of how to proceed, as science only works when applied to divining the physical laws of this universe; no real use when confronted with possible deception borne by independent intelligence...

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Sunday, August 18, 2013  

  • If there is a God ( a metaphor for an intelligent universe), it is incommensurable although similarities would be present. We explore ourselves through the universe, and the universe explores itself through us. Neither one comprehends it's own nature.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, August 19, 2013  

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