UFO Conjectures

Thursday, May 15, 2014

The UFO Black Hole: Roswell

As one can see from the comments in the previous posting here about the Roswell Disk and a UFO book where it’s mentioned, the vicissitudes endemic to Roswell took over, as usual.

And the discussion, like all discussions about Roswell, intermingle with fact, fancy, and hefty biases of those intertwined in the commentary.

UFOs – what they are or may be – take a back seat.

The phenomenon isn’t even given a secondary status; it is ignored altogether, as participants struggle to make points within their Roswell construct.

Some see Roswell as a mythology. Others see it as the premise for the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis. While a few see it as the Uncle Remus “tar baby.”

(This is the description of tar baby (from Wikipedia):

“The Tar-Baby is a fictional character in the second of the Uncle Remus stories published in 1881; it is a doll made of tar and turpentine used to entrap Br’er Rabbit. The more that Br’er Rabbit fights the Tar-Baby. The more entangled he becomes.

In modern usage. “tar baby” refers to any “sticky situation” that is only aggravated by additional contact.”)

What did we discover from all the back-and-forth in the comments?

That Roswell skeptics get incensed with David Rudiak’s extensive Roswell research.

That’s about it.

For me, Roswell is a sociological/psychological conglomeration fueled by an incident that remains, after all these years, as fuzzy as it seems to have been in July 1947.

Even if the Roswell event were proven to consist of an alien space craft disaster, where does that take us, in 2014?

Does anyone think that Roswell will unravel the UFO phenomenon in its entirety or even substantially?

Suppose that the Roswell episode was a bona fide flying saucer crash from which alien bodies were extracted.

That raises more questions than it answers.

Roswell has become, for many UFO devotees, the one hoped-for credible UFO event that proves we are not alone in the universe and their obsession with UFOs is now considered prescient and worthwhile.

That, for me, explains why the topic and its ensuing commentary, that you saw here and also see regularly at Kevin Randle’s blog (along with a few others), is so intense and ragged.

It’s the utterances of persons at the brink of a delusional insanity….at the brink.

Paul Kimball came upon that interpretation after examining the comments found inside the posting. He didn’t define the psychic syndrome as such but did, in a private message, write, humorously, “ … you people are all insane. Ay caramba.”

I think Bruce Duensing would agree, as would several others who’ve passed by and over the posting.

Again, for me, a Roswell tease is grist for a psychological and/or sociological analysis of the people who come to (or fall for) the tease.

Roswell, by itself, as a UFO-related incident, holds no intellectual sway with me.

It is a Rorschach, that’s all.



  • "Even if the Roswell event were proven to be consist of an alien space craft disaster, where does that take us, in 2014?"

    It would prove that we are not alone in the universe, as you yourself state further on.

    And that would be a mighty big discovery for science, as you know.

    But of course that is NOT going to happen, is it?

    By Blogger cda, at Thursday, May 15, 2014  

  • This global phenomenon has been with us for centuries. The global mythology of dragons roaming the night skies breathing mysterious lights and fire to the mythology of spacecraft wandering around for their own sake. Joseph Campell understood that mythologies are metaphors.
    “Half the people in the world think that the metaphors of their religious traditions, for example, are facts. And the other half contends that they are not facts at all. As a result we have people who consider themselves believers because they accept metaphors as facts, and we have others who classify themselves as atheists because they think religious metaphors are lies.”
    I recently explored how dragon mythology was folded into human psychology as a once global phenomenon and I suggest to others that the UFO has the one and the same function.
    You won’t find the answer in any book. That in of itself is nonsense.
    The entire Roswell mythology reminds me of the concluding scene of “The Treasure of The Sierra Madre” where madness, will and greed end up being blown away by a stray gust of wind.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, May 15, 2014  

  • Rich: "Even if the Roswell event were proven to be consist of an alien space craft disaster, where does that take us, in 2014?"

    It leaves you folk ("ufo mavens") with one UFO to rule them all.

    If your fave UFO isn't 'roswell-style', then it is not a UFO. If your fave alien or paranormal entity isn't 'roswell-style', then it is not a real one.

    So, welcome to the UFO Reality (roswell-style)

    "What did we discover from all the back-and-forth in the comments?
    That Roswell skeptics get incensed with David Rudiak’s extensive Roswell research.
    That’s about it."

    I think so. It is one of the things I like about David.

    Best Regards,


    By Blogger Don, at Thursday, May 15, 2014  

  • Sure, Rich. I accept all your fancy-schmancy psychoanalysis, but why did you have to attach to your posting that disgusting, pornographic ink-blot image?

    You should be ashamed of yourself.

    By Blogger Larry, at Thursday, May 15, 2014  

  • Hahahaha...

    Very funny Larry.

    You've provided my biggst laugh for the day.



    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, May 15, 2014  

  • RR,you concede Roswell as ET is possible: "Even if the Roswell event were proven to consist of an alien craft disaster, where does that leave us in 2014?"

    You "beef" then seems not to be that the Roswell crash was unearthly, but that proof that was made public that it was would not change us or mean much.

    Aside from fundamentally -and in an instant- changing our very understanding of science, our place in the universe and history itself, whatever do you mean?


    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Thursday, May 15, 2014  

  • It doesn't, AJB, impact us personally or practically. That is, it doesn't put food on the table or gas in the car. It will delight visionaries and Don Quixote types, but for the average Joe....nada.

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, May 15, 2014  

  • Anthony
    I would suggest that the Roswell miasma has largely co-opted other scientific, philosophic and alternative theories in the mind of the popular media and the public.
    Yes, it has the appeal of an essentially simple narrative ( a crashed ET) that makes it more digestible and the resulting narrative interpretations ( due to their ambivalent nature) have placed all the eggs not only in one basket but has kept that basket up in the air for decades.
    All the tea in China cannot outweigh or perhaps undo the torpor this has created..a stagnation in regard to new avenues of investigation.
    The whole thing reminds me of layer cake hermetically sealed under glass, or better yet in a box. It has contributed zero..zero knowledge of anything but innuendo upon innuendo.
    Even saying this is like shoveling sand into the tide.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, May 15, 2014  

  • Continued...My Roswell cup runneth over.
    The definition that arises from repeated failure doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is insanity. All the bickering over niggling details over a non-existant outline has emptied the room like a house on fire and has given the entire subject a patina of conspiratorial lunacy so much so that I don’t have enough fingers to count how many have fled for the exit. A handful a minority has fed so much garbage into this to a nadir so now they recycle the same stale dead ends. Who is left but the gullible and those that feed the lowest common denominator of coherency? Science will not touch this subject if you gave them a room full of cash. Why is that? Scientific discoveries you say? The only discovery to be made is that there are too many experts who cannot agree on the smallest micronodule of minutia concerning their own promulgation of a mythology. Due to all the gnashing of teeth over where the comma goes or what is on page 23.2 means there will never be any discovery of any value whatsoever to this to the Nth degree.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, May 15, 2014  

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