UFO Conjectures

Wednesday, October 28, 2015

Kevin Randle’s Moby Dick

 Roswell is Kevin Randle’s “white whale.”

I don’t know where else, besides Kevin Randle’s blog (and here as a reaction to Kevin’s blog), Roswell is still a topic for discussion.

Roswell was near death before the alien slides fiasco blossomed and then died, taking with it Roswell as a matter for constrained ufological minds.

Roswell is a fantasy, but Mr. Randle and his lackeys continue their dogged pursuit of the alleged incident; it’s their nemesis, but they, like Ahab and his crew, don’t know that.

Ufology and UFOs are moribund subjects among cognoscenti and even amongst the impoverished few who think the phenomenon still has some substantive value.

Mr. Randle can’t let it go, and a few of his minions cannot either.

Roswell is as and had been as elusive as Ahab’s prey.

The hope that UFOs and ufology will be captured by an ongoing hunt of missing clues or something magical happening with Roswell.

No one can remove such autistic persons from their obsessional belief or desire, and believe me, some have tried, mightily.

The current fixation is the Ramey memo, pictured in news stories from the supposed 1947 event.
 A small group of persons are performing analyses on the news photos, an effort undertaken, rather thoroughly, by David Rudiak years ago.

The new parties are hoping to employ the computer program that clarified the mummy placard that sunk the Roswell alien slide pretense.

Let’s suppose that the memo is deciphered to the point that it suggests something “alien” was the progenitor of the Roswell incident. That would be something remarkable and would re-light the Roswell episode and ufology with it.

But does it seem likely that the Ramey memo will do that?

No. What will happen is that the memo will be cleaned up to show something like the mummy placard: a prosaic reference to a collection of balloon debris or suggestions to quell the nonsense before what really happened would surface – a military accident of some kind.

At this late date, it would take monumental effort to get the government to admit that an extraterrestrial craft came down near Roswell and exuded bodies of alien hominids, if such a thing actually happened.

And it would also take a daunting effort to get the government to admit to a serious military accident of some kind.

No matter what, the Ramey memo will not be the salvation of an ET Roswell event, nor will it resurrect ufology, which is on life-support.

And the ongoing, sometimes shrill debate about Roswell, indicates a sign of desperation bolstered by fantasy-thinking: the pursuit of a enigma that has destroyed and will destroy, further, those who keep pursuing the damn thing.

It should stop, but won’t, because the Roswellian believers would have to do something worthwhile with their lives, and they are too deeply entrapped by their delusional stance to work themselves free of their Moby Dick.


  • Nice post.

    Not just by the literary analogy but also with KR's recent military jargon jab where he referenced "stepping on one's dick" as an insult.

    Are you suggesting that possibly he might be doing the very same to himself but unawares?

    By Blogger Brian B, at Wednesday, October 28, 2015  

  • Brian:

    Kevin has more in common with Ahab than even he recognizes.

    But I really like him; he has a wealth of material that has been and is useful and his Ramey goal is worthwhile, but it won't (can't) save Roswell, in my view.

    You have to give props to Kevin for allowing you and others relatively extensive carte blanche in his comment section.

    I am not that lenient as I've often said.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, October 28, 2015  

  • Rich.

    To be fair people have hinted there at more clues/evidence other than the memo being at this time researched.

    I stated as Brian has that peoples best crack at this should be to target the big private industries eg Aerospace as if anyone has the answers its probably them.

    Bragalia went down this route with Battelle Institute and i believe chasing these big industries is the correct one, thats if there are any answers.

    Going over and debating decades old testimonies is a complete waste of time in my opinion, and i dont think the ramey memo will yeild much either although worth investigating i guess to see what they get.

    By Blogger Al12, at Wednesday, October 28, 2015  

  • I don't mind, AI12, that Kevin and a few others (Lance Moody among them) want to clear up the Ramey memo content. It's a mystery that needs an explanation.

    What disturbs is the Pied Piper aspect of Kevin's Roswell posting(s).

    He plays the Roswell flute and all the rats follow along, to their intellectual doom.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, October 28, 2015  

  • Rich.

    Just read his new post and yeah who knows.

    At the very least it should shoot down the Mogul nonsense if certain words are deciphered.

    But it still cant get to the extraterrestial aspect of Roswell though.

    By Blogger Al12, at Wednesday, October 28, 2015  

  • Another 'research' effort being conducted on a closed door basis, it seems no lessons have been learnt.

    By Blogger Ross , at Wednesday, October 28, 2015  

  • Ross -

    I asked Kevin the same thing and he responded by saying all the information would be shared publically with no tickets sold or special promotions as in Mexico City. Although I do agree it still has some appearance of being a little too closed doors - I believe it was started some time ago.

    By Blogger Brian B, at Thursday, October 29, 2015  

  • Ross -

    The effort to get new scans with the latest and best available equipment took a long time to put together. It involved an international effort and experts in forensic photography and the cooperation of those at the University of Texas at Arlington. We said nothing about this until that had been completed. We had hoped that we could resolve this quickly once the information was gathered. The plan had always been to follow the lead of the Roswell Slides Research Group which completed their work quietly until they had the results. In our case, the results simply weren't obvious so we opened it up sharing the scans were others, including some of the skeptics who are well known here.

    Some of the files of the scans are something like 250 MB (yes, 250) while some others are much smaller. We have no problem sharing the scans with those who wish to see them and those who might be able to contribute to the reading of the memo... at this point, we have been unable to resolve anything that would generate a consensus.

    I can send you some of the scans through email, if you wish and you think you might be able to assist in the effort. I would say that the question of copyright is still a problem which means that nothing can be openly published without credit to UTA, probably the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and to us for the new, high resolution scans. We don't want to lose control of the images that we created.

    We have prepared a journal article about all of this, but it is incomplete because we don't have any definite conclusions. We hope that we will be able to obtain some, but I fear the memo might be just outside the range of clarity and in the end we'll be in the same place we are here.

    By Blogger KRandle, at Thursday, October 29, 2015  

  • Do you think Kevin and his 'gang' are having one last attempt to salvage something from this Roswell affair? These photos are literally all they have got, and ever will have, in the way of 'hardware'; thus they try and rescue the doomed case from its last flicker of life. All previous hardware claims came to zero, from the Santilli film to the slides fiasco.

    By all means try one's hardest to prove the (virtually) impossible, if one can, but really this has all been done before and yielded nothing of use. Better technology? Perhaps, but still nowhere near good enough.

    I think both you and I know perfectly well that their cause is hopeless. But of course this NEVER deters the miracle seekers, does it?

    By Blogger cda, at Thursday, October 29, 2015  

  • It's depressing, CDA.

    Some good minds going after a chimera, with energy and effort that will, as usual, produce nothing of consequence.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, October 29, 2015  

  • KRandle

    What value would your consensus have if it is one held by a small group? The Roswell slides fellows had formed a consensus amongst themselves that the images were not prosaic, but a much broader consensus ultimately proved them to be in error.

    Rather than spend time trying to decide amongst yourselves if these new scans have merit, why not merely publish them with some notes as to the background story.

    As to copyright, why not simply include the relevant credits within the images you make available? That way the only way they could be reproduced uncredited is in bad faith.

    By Blogger Ross , at Thursday, October 29, 2015  

  • Ross:

    See my posting above about the copyright issue.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, October 29, 2015  

  • Ross -

    You misunderstand... if we had been able to clarify the message, we were going to publish the results in the same fashion that the Roswell Slides Research Group had done. It wasn't about a consensus in our group, but a consensus in the broad sense of providing the data. We have provided the complete raw data to others outside the group to see if they might have an idea of how to clean up the text. At this point, we have nothing to clarify the situation and the consensus seems to be that the scans might have cleaned things up slightly but not enough to make a difference.

    I have published one of them to my blog but I'm already told that other images (not our scans) are published without credit. We're trying to control our scans which is to say that we are providing them to a wider circle of people for their analysis, but as I have said, repeatedly, I fear the effort is going to fail. I think you are searching for villains where their are none... we had hoped to clarify the situation but have been unable to do that.

    By Blogger KRandle, at Thursday, October 29, 2015  

  • KRandle

    I'm not suggesting villainy so much as vanity. Embed the appropriate credits in images made available for distribution, and the problem of reproduction without credit is solved to the extent that it reasonably can be.

    By Blogger Ross , at Thursday, October 29, 2015  

  • KRandle

    I'm not suggesting villainy so much as vanity. Embed the appropriate credits in images made available for distribution, and the problem of reproduction without credit is solved to the extent that it reasonably can be.

    By Blogger Ross , at Thursday, October 29, 2015  

  • All -

    I have to agree with CDA and Rich regarding their comments on this new effort, and also Ross and the others honing in on copyright issues and process.

    I have stated that I have no problem with people undertaking further study (it's their time and money not mine).

    And like so many I still can't see how this undertaking will explain the Roswell case any further given that so far no additional clarity on the text has been forthcoming.

    Perhaps the upside is that I have now been thoroughly disowned by both the orthodox believers and their nemesis, the orthodox skeptics, for even commenting on their combined efforts. C'est la vie in the world of ufology. I was always a middle man anyway regarding ET, but certainly not with Roswell.

    Since I pointed out the images have been used extensively for decades without copyright issues, Kevin was quick to chastise me for "obscuring" his point behind the explanation for why copyright issues have become one of their many delays.

    However it shouldn't escape anyone that the entire effort was initiated first by the believing crowd, and in secret, with the addition of at least one skeptic to perhaps give onlookers a sense that balanced perspective was at play. But given those involved I can hardly believe that.

    This new endeavor of repeating the old is explained as an effort to clarify the text to determine the context and perhaps the author.

    In reality the effort seems to be focused more on deciphering whether or not "victims of the wreck" is a legitimate reading. This done at the expense of avoiding other issues already pointed out but blatantly ignored.

    It makes sense given the believers behind the effort would like to confirm that bodies were indeed recovered.

    In their own minds this would help keep the Roswell dream alive even if the type of bodies found were never confirmed one way or the other.

    As some have jokingly said, perhaps the victims referred to really are Foster and Marcel, or monkeys, dogs, or human civilians. Perhaps they were even the sheep who were victimized when tin foil and sticks supposedly came raining down during a thunderstorm.

    However I prefer the word "viewing" over "victims" because it provides the proper context to the photos, which appear to be a display of balloon wreckage done for the benefit of the press who came to "view" it.

    By Blogger Brian B, at Thursday, October 29, 2015  

  • I don't think anyone is obliged to do their research in a public forum. To criticize anyone for doing it "in secret" is just plain weird. Mind you own business.

    I first looked into Roswell in 1997, dropped it, then returned a dozen years later. In the meantime significant witnesses (such as Dennis and Kaufman) had become...unreliable, yet it seems the story hadn't changed. If Dennis was a fantasist, still today the ET bodies were taken to the RAAF. Kaufman a forger, still today his crash site is in play. Or so it seems.

    So, not having a clue anymore what the canonical Roswell story is, there's not much to say about it. Maybe one day there'll be a book...



    By Blogger Don, at Friday, October 30, 2015  

  • Don:

    I'm sorry, but you're out of the current research loop, which is all about transparency.

    Nothing is done in secret anymore.

    Sure, some researchers still do secretive work, but they don't broadcast that they are doing so.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, October 30, 2015  

  • We can all chip in and buy Kevin a GoPro.

    Best Regards,


    By Blogger Don, at Friday, October 30, 2015  

  • I'm in for 5 bucks,


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, October 30, 2015  

  • To Lone Nutters the JFK assassination conspiracy research is a misguided "fantasy," yet anyone actually familiar with the research knows that vast strides have been made over the past 15 years thanks to new technology and methods of information-gathering. Roswell may indeed ultimately prove to be a "mundane event," but it is not a "fantasy." Even the ET explanation of Roswell is not a "fantasy" - the information on which it is based comes from too many sources over too great a period of time to dismiss it as a fantasy. I don't happen to be willing to devote 12 hours a day to the JFK assassination to Roswell, but I see nothing to be gained by deriding those serious researchers who are. If the current effort does no more than put to rest the Ramey memo controversy - OK, great, closing off avenues of research that are dead ends can be a valuable contribution too.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Sunday, November 01, 2015  

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