UFO Conjectures

Thursday, January 10, 2019

Where in the hell is the outrage?

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I just read Kevin Randle’s tepid okay of the History Channel’s dreadful, even blasphemous, new Project Blue Book “comedy.”

And, as a “friend” of M J Banias I found his and his associates’ commentary on the show on Facebook, all lauding the program with M J writing that it was “very cool.”

Then there was a comment from Bryan Sentes here that the show was just wonderful and we who hated it are “sourpusses.”

Has everyone in the UFO community gone crazy?

The show was a disservice to J. Allen Hynek, his wife, Captain Ruppelt, and Lt. Gorman whose Fargo “dogfight” with a UFO is one of the classic and intriguing cases in the UFO literature.

That UFO enthusiasts are so desperate for something in their interested field they accept such idiocy is more than discouraging; it’s madness.

The defaming History Channel effort should be condemned outright and loudly. It is, as I’ve already noted, a travesty of UFO history and a joke.

To let it stand as representative of what Blue Book was and did and how J. Allen Hynek, a moderate and reserved academic was, is shameful.

If the show was designated as satire, I’d be the first to compliment History for its humor.

But as it is, I am embarrassed for my UFO pals, one and all.

They are weasels, needing, it seems, to be entertained, not enlightened, apparently.

Shameful! Absolutely shameful!!



  • "Weasel", eh. I'll refrain from an excursus on the speciesism that underwrites the deployment of that term as an insult, however ironic.

    But you do put your finger on the pulse of matter near the end of your post: entertained not enlightened: exactly. The series is an entertainment, not a documentary. Any viewer inspired to buy Ruppelt's or Hynek's books on viewing the dramatic series will be quickly enlightened as to the dramatic distortions (provided they're of the sort to go beyond reading the pertinent Wikipedia entries....).

    That some self-professed UFO buffs might find some pleasures in it is hardly a matter of outrage. You know I could write at no small length on what I find in the first episode. But that would be far from "criticism" (why it's a good or bad TV series), more a cultural theoretical appreciation, one eye on it as a cultural artifact, the other eye that of someone with an admitted if inconstant fascination with the subject in general since boyhood.

    Given the (still) rich complexity of the mystery in all its dimensions, and given your own belief that earth and what passes through the minds of its human inhabitants is insignificant, I fail to see, really, what the fuss (outrage) is about.

    If you can, maybe arrange a viewing of Tarkovsky's "Solaris" soon, an assured televisual aesthetic balm.

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Thursday, January 10, 2019  

  • Hey Rich, I haven't seen it (been on vacation in Utah until yesterday for a week), but I set it to record, so I'll be watching it at the weekend and I'll give you my thoughts.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Thursday, January 10, 2019  

  • I'm hoping my sensible pal Nick will see the show for the farce it is.

    The problem -- one among many -- is that such a show, under the imprimatur of History, will move UFO morons and the idiotic public at large to think it's accurate, at least in some ways, whioh it isn't Bryan, as you well know.

    This is the problem -- also one of many -- where society members accept the farce of Trump and such artifacts as Facebook as germane to civilization, both far from it.

    I'm sick of people giving a pass to insanities that pass for entertainmment, let alone history.

    Sick, I tell you.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, January 10, 2019  

  • Friggin garbage. It's not even enjoyable. I needed two sittings to make it through the episode. Now I don't have to watch anymore of it.

    By Blogger Claude Falkstrom, at Thursday, January 10, 2019  

  • I'm with you, Claude, 1000%.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, January 10, 2019  

  • We don't get it in the UK (though I dare say there is a way of watching it). It might make a welcome change from that ghastly topic sending us all incurably insane, Brexit.

    By Blogger cda, at Thursday, January 10, 2019  

  • Rich, you're "outraged?" What did you expect? This was/is pure entertainment where fact, dare say truth, has no business in these types of productions. So Gorman is depicted tangling with a ufo while flying a "Texan" trainer when in reality he was flying a P-51. Irritating to me, being an former AF type, but for the casual type viewer just window dressing. Obviously, there were numerous made for drama errors, but again the entertainment factor was paramount.

    I viewed this episode with wife (she usually discourages my penchant for the UFO meme even as a sceptic) and she found it "dramatic" and overall "entertaining." And there it is, from my wife's own mouth..."entertaining."

    BTW since you were "outraged" with this episode, was the Roswell slides fiasco/hoax/scam just as outrageous or where you "entertained?"

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Friday, January 11, 2019  

  • Not you too Tim?

    I won't say more, so as not to offend your non-ufological wife.

    But I am ashamed of you and all UFO enthusiasts who accept this horrendous "entertainment" as a worthy addition to the UFO canon.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, January 11, 2019  

  • I hated it. So there.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Friday, January 11, 2019  

  • Thank goodness, Dominick.

    I was starting to think everyone was crazy.

    I'm going to eschew the "likers" from now on. I don't need morons in my life.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, January 11, 2019  

  • Hm.

    First it's "weasles" and now it's "morons", eh.

    Who ever said this cable TV series was an "addition to the UFO canon"?(!)

    Along with others, I think you're making too much of it.

    Why not save your energies to appreciate or deprecate (whichever floats your boat, man) Pasulka's forthcoming _American Cosmic: Ufos, Religion, Technology_...

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Friday, January 11, 2019  

  • Bryan...

    I'm more ashamed of you than anyone.

    That you would tout the show, with your knowledge about history and truth, is beyond belief.

    If History did a show on Kant that was all nonsense I would think you'd go crazy with condemnation.

    I'm not alone in thinking that you "likers" are imbecilic. You saw the Anomalist's take and those in the "party who find you (and your "pals") lauding of this shameful endeavor a kind of intellectual abomination.

    Are UFOs serious or not?

    Should actual history of UFO events be truthful or not?

    Don't give me your pettifogging silliness about taking the show seriously.

    For me, UFOs and the "history" of the phenomenon and those who've been impacted by UFos is a serious matter.

    That the History Channel made a mockery of Hynek, Gorman, and the Air Force is shameful not entertaining.

    I'm appalled at your flippancy about the matter. And you are an academic. Geez.

    Give me a break.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, January 11, 2019  

  • "Imbecilic", eh. Sad to see you slump into on-line troll-ese. It's unbecoming.

    And, no, I hadn't seen anything from The Anomalist; and who are "my pals"?

    That being said, I think your outrage has fogged, petti or otherwise, your powers of comprehension.

    What have I written that shows I "tout", "laud", or otherwise "take seriously" this show as anything other than another cultural artifact from a cultural theoretical perspective?

    Are you UFOs serious or not? I was the one who encouraged you to turn your attention from so obviously frustrating a matter as a cable-TV _drama_ to a forthcoming, _serious_ book.

    Give ME a break.

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Friday, January 11, 2019  

  • Hahahaha...don't go crazy because I was and am incensed.

    Kevin Randle just told me that the Hynek's were okay with Allen's portrayal.

    I think that's because the show made him more heroic than he was.

    Anyway, I expected you and Kevin to hold the line on such ruddy, incorrect portrayals of the "facts."

    And I didn't call you an imbecile, just imbecilic (about this one matter); there is a difference, as you know.

    Troll? You resort to internet castigations now? Oh my...what's happened to you??


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, January 11, 2019  

  • Well Rich, it seems that your outrage has clouded your judgement of the contents of my last comment. This was not a documentary. This was fabrication built on the foundation of a story "based on a true" story. You know how these things are done...cinematic license and such. Yet the program was built to entertain, not to lecture the public on history and technology. I certainly lost no sleep over it.

    Maybe you will appreciate this from me...this was merely bread for the circuses.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Friday, January 11, 2019  

  • I get that it was an entertainment, exactly as you indicate: bread for the circuses.

    For me it was incendiary, obviously.

    As I just told Kevin, there were just too many (way too many) liberties with the "facts."

    When the MIB showed up, I lost it.

    But I'll let you "likers" have your fun with the show.

    I'll watch it and will still be moved to be critical, that's what I do with news media here in Fort Wayne, but will have to temper my thoughts in UFOland where the farce continues, and UFO people allow any and all things without thinking.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, January 11, 2019  

  • Hahaha..Now Now, Children of Earth!!..

    Don't forget, Rich - I - & some others here, have had UFO experience in the past, and that was real, not a joke, so I can somewhat understand his mood over this:).........

    By Blogger Daniel, at Friday, January 11, 2019  

  • I have no interest in watching the show, but that’s primarily because the subject matter is of no interest, I also have no interest in getting all worked up about a fictional television series loosely based on historical events. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t even warrant a “meh”. It’s just a TV show, on a network that airs Ancient Aliens. Expecting it to be a by-the-book docu-drama is about as realistic as expecting Trump to start governing like a responsible adult.


    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Saturday, January 12, 2019  

  • You are rational, as usual Paul.

    I told Kevin (Randle) that I may have gotten overwrought and I did but the damn show had so many distortions that my critical faculties couldn't be restrained.

    And when UFO people I know watched it and wrote it was wonderful, I couldn't help but take them to task for such stupidity.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, January 12, 2019  

  • Vikings has Ivan the Boneless declaring himself a god, and Alfred the Great as secretly being the illegitimate son of a priest that was once taken prisoner by Ragnar Lothbrok. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg! A very entertaining show, however, with just enough actual history sprinkled in to inspire me to read up on what actually happened (or probably happened, as records from that era are dodgy). Maybe that’s what will happen with Project Blue Book - casual viewers will be encouraged to seek out serious historical research into the subject, at which point they will discover the work of Richard Dolan and Steven Greer, and...

    Hmm... Now that I think about it, they’re probably better off just sticking with the TV show. 🙂

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Saturday, January 12, 2019  

  • Hahahaha...you nail it, Paul.

    I love the Vikings series, love it. And I'm not distracted by the errant history.

    But with the Blue Book program, I was able to accept a smudge or two of fact but there were so many that it made me blow my top.

    What gets me is that if UFO enthusiasts would disbar History for its flawed presentation(s) rather than accepting the thing as a wonderful entertainment, maybe the Channel would mend its inaccurate ways.

    But I just read that the show got 3.1 million viewers so I don't see any change in presentation coming.

    Obviously the peasant class tuned in, in droves. So anything from the plebian UFO crowd would go unnoticed, and unheeded.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, January 12, 2019  

  • Take it from me, the networks don't care AT ALL what UFO buffs think of their programming. That group is so small that they don't register at all on their radar - indeed, when I was doing UFO docs, I was flat-out told by a Canadian network that they didn't really care how accurate a doc was about UFOs because it was all hooey anyway - so long as it was entertaining and could appeal to a wide general audience.

    Which is why, after Best Evidence, I never pitched another UFO-related film... because I knew I would never get a "yes" for the kinds of films I wanted to do.

    By Blogger Paul Andrew Kimball, at Saturday, January 12, 2019  

  • That's rather sad, isn't it but not surprising.

    And now that the herd of UFOers are so uncritical and academic or even smart, there seems little hope that the topic will go further into society even with something as infectious, for the masses, as Blue Book or Ancient Aliens.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, January 12, 2019  

  • Ghosts, Rich, ghosts. That’s where the action is. ;-)

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Saturday, January 12, 2019  

  • Coming back from vacation and I missed this!! Boys, boys....

    By Blogger Unknown, at Saturday, January 12, 2019  

  • The biggest mystery on this particular topic is how Paul Kimball acquired a middle name whilst losing his face, then gained his face back again when he lost his middle name. True magic!

    By Blogger cda, at Sunday, January 13, 2019  

  • What?

    When did Paul lose his face?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, January 13, 2019  

  • It’s magic!

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Sunday, January 13, 2019  

  • Okay... last night I had an hour of free time while waiting for video to render, and I decided to watch the first episode of Project Blue Book, which I had recorded. Here’s my review...


    That’s it. I turned it off after 30 minutes. Didn’t hook me in at all. It was like a low rent version of the worst later seasons X-Files episodes, mediocre and passionless. It’s epitomizes paint-by-numbers production.

    In the era of peak TV, it commits the unforgivable sin of being dull. I won’t be giving it a second chance to make a first impression.

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Sunday, January 13, 2019  

  • Phew!

    A reasonable, critical evaluation.

    Thank you, Paul.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, January 13, 2019  

  • My article on it should be up tomorrow and I'll post the link here.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Monday, January 14, 2019  

  • Rich, you make me smile! Paul has basically said the same as most of us. There is no critical need to slice and dice the program...it is what is...fabrication. You get upset at me because I stated that the program has entertainment value..."entertainment" can be defined in many ways.

    There will be no breaking grounds coming from this program...it's the History (Channel) BTW, competing with all of the schlock offered by others.

    Paul is right, everything offered points to the new darling...ghost hunting...try sitting through one hour of that garbage without laughing.

    People will believe what they want.

    Just got back from a marvelous ski trip...Tahoe...had a great time and managed to not break anything. There is more to life than UFOs!!!

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Monday, January 14, 2019  

  • My views on the new "Project Blue Book" show:


    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Tuesday, January 15, 2019  

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