UFO Conjectures

Saturday, July 27, 2019

A UFO explanation may help us determine our reality….may help

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There are a number of intriguing mysteries that have confronted and confront human beings; need I name them?

But none, if resolved, tell us much about the reality that we are part of.

Even if the Shroud of Turin turns out to be the authentic burial shroud of Jesus/Christ or the calculated rocks of Stonehenge or those that make walls in the MesoAmerica landscapes prove to be man-made or constructs of the gods – even constructs of extraterrestrials as the la-la Ancient Astronauts theorists have it – what does that tell us about the existence we are immersed in, the reality that is our world?

Yet, if we get our hands on a UFO – really get hold of one – I think that we could find out what our reality consists of, what actually our existence’s sine qua non may be.

And “get hold of” means that we discover, by whatever strategies, what UFOs are or are made of.

Now I don’t want feedback from those whimsical people who write or say that there is no such thing as a UFO, because, for me and most reading this, observation of odd things in the sky or in the sea and sometimes on the ground are designated , for illustrative purposes, as unknown flying objects. They can be called anything, of course, but we who like our sobriquets pithy and sweet opt for the now common initialism UFO.

And “get our hands on” means getting something more than speed and maneuverability or outward appearance. “Getting a hold of” doesn’t necessarily mean actually grabbing one, although that would be ideal. It means grasping as many technical readouts that human equipment can muster.

There are no extraterrestrial crashed saucers or UFOs. No advanced species would make it through the violent and oblique cosmos (or even just our galaxy) only to find disaster on a relatively mild Earth.

But something else that is not an ET craft could have descended to Earth or has been brought down somehow but we have no evidence of any truly odd thing being found and examined scientifically, and determined to be truly unique in any sense.

But capturing, in various ways (as outlined above) a UFO would surely offer clues as to what our reality really is.

I find the Navy encounter of a UFO in 2014 that was described as a cube surrounded by a sphere very interesting. If more than its observation was gathered, we might have gotten something substantial about the nature of the thing encountered (seen).

And that should be the point of ufology: finding out what UFOs are and extrapolating the information garnered to provide insight (a profound epiphany) of what our reality is.

This has nothing to do with consciousness or unconsciousness or philosophical inquiry, It merely means deciphering something actual that may have significant information within and without that tells us what we humans are subject to, the reality to which we are tethered.

N.B. Image atop from my Printerest feed

RR

13 Comments:

  • Steven Greer, Bob Lazar, numerous others, have all talked about UFO and "free energy" but look where it got them!? One could say... all that you've commented on hase been done, but like you point out,we have no evidence that's exceptible, other than the UFO story.So were do you go,from there?............?

    By Blogger Daniel, at Sunday, July 28, 2019  

  • If a UFO is a real thing (and I think you think it would be some sort of artefact) subject to empirical study, then, of course, it might very well reveal something new about "reality", but the reality that would be revealed would still be "nature" (something within the realm of physics, as it were: phusis=natura=nature, the spontaneous order within which human beings come to consciousness, self-awareness and knowledge). No merely empirical object can however novel reveal "ultimate reality" (I think you have in mind here a final, absolute Gnosis of some kind--wow, would that be boring! Even if it were possible for a finite, determined being to possess such undetermined (ab-solute, "un-'dissolved'", in German, un-bedingt) gnosis, how could we live with it?...)

    N.b., the unspoken and unreadable volumes of essentially philosophical assumptions underwriting the speculation, e.g., 'reality', 'knowledge', 'possible object of knowledge', 'ways of knowing', etc.

    Funny, I was just writing on this topic yesterday, kinda, re the recent, repeated claims by TTSA et al to possess "meta-materials", but yesterday's oppressive heats were stupefying. With luck, my not unrelated reflections will appear today!

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Sunday, July 28, 2019  

  • I can hardly wait for your dissertation Bryan....you Kantian you.

    I don't see UFOs as artifacts per se. They may be ghostly in nature and someone who has a speculative, innovative approach to ghost investigations -- not the "let's take a microphone and camera to an old church and see if we can sniff out a ghost" scenario -- might discern something worthwhile.

    Any tangible investigation -- not pussy-gab -- is what I'm calling for. You philosopher types would bog us down with rambling chit-chat, that for millennia has produced nothing but wordy nonsense.

    Let's get some real hard-core research going, not more blather.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, July 28, 2019  

  • Silly thought just came to my mind...Maybe USAF/CIA/whatever really has a real "flying saucer" but they just don´t know where it´s come (parallel universe? from the future? cryptoterrestrials?) And of course you have to pretend you know everything about it, otherwise Russians (or North Koreans) will call your bluff....

    By Blogger Jerry Cornelius, at Sunday, July 28, 2019  

  • RR:

    (I will not answer in kind (“pussy-gab”)…I will not answer in kind (“rambling chit-chat”)…I will not answer in kind (“wordy nonsense”)…I will not answer in kind (“blather”)…)

    Pursuant to your being intrigued by the sphere-in-a-cube UAP, Tyler Rogoway offers some speculations launched from empirical data: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28640/could-some-of-the-ufos-navy-pilots-are-encountering-be-airborne-radar-reflectors

    ‘N’ Iff’n you’re a-gonna yack about “reality”, then, sorry brother, you’ve stepped into the Philosophical Salon at the Grand Hotel Abyss…

    That being said, in general, I’m not making any empirical claims: dogmatic metaphysics of that kind suffered a mortal blow from the Critical philosophy; I am, however, remarking on certain, putative, unspoken assumptions that orient, guide, and govern your speculations, which is another, arguably, indispensable part of the work.

    I leave you,then, to your EM detectors, spectrometers, etc. For me, back to my Skunkworks…

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Sunday, July 28, 2019  

  • Bryan:

    Don't take my "assault" personally: I'm speaking metaphorically about philosophy and some "philosophers."

    There was an old pal 'o mine who took a few courses of philosophy and thought he was a scholar. He now uses the internet to bolster his obtuse ramblings, something I've found -- obtuse ramblings -- from most modern-day and a few old-time philosophical blokes.

    You are usually on point but always sneak into the weeds with philosophical asides that will not resolve the UFO issue(s).

    UFOs have to be attacked with "EM detectors, spectrometers, etc." and other esoteric instruments but mostly with scientific insights that are profound and unique: new.

    You would hark back to linguistic artifice, which is cute but not appropriate for UFOs.

    Sorry. Skunkworks won't save us but someone with technical savvy might.

    It's like stemming cancer with a curative, not bedside mannerisms.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, July 28, 2019  

  • RR: There's UFO Reality and the UFO Effect; my concern is with the latter, though it, the latter, includes the former.--Your cancer analogy ain't bad, but it is precisely through a reconceptualization of just what cancer might be (its being, to speak philosophically) that new research and perhaps treatment options are opening up (i.e., cancer is generally thought of as problem with the genetics of the cell; the new approach investigates it as a cellular metabolic disorder). And remember, historically, _philosophy has been the avant garde of the sciences_; today's natural and social sciences are offshoots of the philosophical tree.--That being said, my concerns are not with solving with question of the UFO Reality (and how far has that approach gotten us, by the way?) but with first registering its cultural effects and what it reveals about how we imagine ourselves and the world to be and, secondarily, how we think about the question of that reality.

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Sunday, July 28, 2019  

  • There it is: "my concerns are not with solving with [the] question of the UFO Reality (and how far has that approach gotten us, by the way?) but with first registering its cultural effects..."

    You and my buddy MJ Banias are off on a tangent: cultural effects?

    What does that have to do with the UFO essence?

    "How we imagine ourselves" -- another sidetrack you an MJ like to pursue. All very interesting for a discussion of things peripheral to our ultimate reality, something addressed by Plato way back when.

    That's my point: you fellow take us "off topic" into the weeds of philosophical concerns that Joe Blow doesn't give a damn about, otherwise, we'd have philosophers all over the place...although I think we are surfeited already.

    Let's stick with the phenomenon [UFOs] and see if what we discover helps us know why we're here, why we are existing, which certainly isn't to sit around debating what consciousness is or isn't or how UFOs enhance or don't our cultural evolution.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, July 28, 2019  

  • RR:

    My first remarks in this thread were focussed on your _philosophical_ claim that “if we get our hands on a UFO – really get hold of one – I think that we could find out what our reality consists of, what actually our existence’s sine qua non may be.”

    That being said, regarding my penultimate remark re the focus of my concerns, I did go on to write that my concerns extend, “secondarily, to how we think about the question of that [UFO] reality.” Given that strictly speaking there is no such thing as ufology, other than an amorphous pseudoscience, at best, that has gotten nowhere these past five decades, it isn’t too much of a stretch to stop and reflect on the guiding assumptions that have led nowhere.

    And if there is a “UFO essence” it must include _all_ its “appearances” (effects). My focus on the UFO Effect is tangential to those for whom the question of UFO Reality is an exclusive concern; fine, but their focus hardly negates a priori mine (which includes them and their focus).

    And, n.b., the philosophical content of your demand that we “stick with the phenomenon [UFOs] and see if what we discover helps us know why we're here, why we are existing [both classically philosophical concerns…], which certainly isn't to sit around debating what consciousness is or isn't or how UFOs enhance or don't our cultural evolution [you mean how the nature of the phenomenon might help us know why we’re here or we we exist?].”

    If you want to “stick to” the question of UFO Reality, then you must be the first to do so, rigorously.

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Sunday, July 28, 2019  

  • Nope, Bryan, pal o' mine....

    The UFO reality is one thing, our real reality is another, and so far the twain has not met.

    But I'm hoping they will, despite the attempt by some (ahem) to beleaguer the attempt with linguistic frills that have nothing to do with anything but linguistic frills.

    As Aristophanes showed us in his work The Clouds, sophistry is rife among some philosophers.

    You keep trying to take us into the philosophical weeds, but I'm trying not to let that happen.

    It's a gargantuan task so far, but I'm for it.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, July 28, 2019  

  • Now I don’t want feedback from those whimsical people who write or say that there is no such thing as a UFO, because, for me and most reading this, observation of odd things in the sky or in the sea and sometimes on the ground are designated , for illustrative purposes, as unknown flying objects.

    You know very well that all we have are "UFO" stories. And nothing but stories. But you would rather skip right over that inconvenient fact--that is assume the answer--and go directly to understanding what "UFOs" are and how that might clarify reality.

    Which is the wrong way around I say and have said repeatedly. How about we first understand the world as it is in the normal scientific way? It's called physics, astronomy and meteorology. I guarantee you all identities will become clear.

    Why is it that believers in the "UFO" myth think they are exempt from the rules of the scientific method? Because that's the only way they can maintain the pretense of investigating what the sane world knows already very well is pure baloney.

    The IDEA of "UFOs" has been falsified repeatedly, every failed story is confirmation of that fact. That is the very definition of pseudoscience. So self-styled investigators practice a sort of cargo-cult meta-religion devoted to a vapid utterly hollow notion.

    The Navy pilots have been seeing a variety of sun dogs combined with a mild case of "UFO" hysteria. They've all heard the "UFO" stories, and they're just as susceptible to the myth as the general population. The radar target explanation has some rather obvious problems. And one doesn't have to be an online aviation expert to know that.

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Sunday, July 28, 2019  

  • I guess what you mean when you write "The UFO reality is one thing, our real reality is another, and so far the twain has not met" is that the truth of the nature of the phenomenon has yet to be grasped by humankind; I'd argue the respective realities intersect as at least one experiences the other however mysterious the reality of the Other. But that's a philosophical question, isn't it.

    My point is that I'm not the one trying to take anyone into any philosophical weeds, just the one pointing out you're already up to the knees in them! That philosophical questions seem to keep interposing themselves might well be due to the indisputable fact that there are few if any empirical facts to organize into any hypothesis or scheme, so one is left able only to, well, speculate (the brother of reflection, those philosophical twins, at least since Hegel).

    None of which contradicts, mind you, your call for a strictly "scientific", physical ufology, at least along the lines of Sturrock and Rutledge, for example.

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Sunday, July 28, 2019  

  • Ah, boys...

    You fellows insert dichotomies of thought above: one offering a simple solution -- there are only UFO stories, nothing else -- and another hoping philosophical thought will prevail if I and others would use it academically, knowledgeably.

    Yes, Bryan, I'm often in the philosophical weeds but I know the difference between lilacs and thistles.

    Since philosophy has usurped the ideas of science, which it indeed created as you note, one can't help but be entrapped by its thistles when talking about reality.

    That's the nature of the beast.

    I'm trying to work my way around the problem.

    Then Zoam insists that something that exists, linguistically and otherwise doesn't exist.

    It's all part of the UFO problem. UFOs are things inviting controversy, stupidity, and, maybe eventually something profoundly interesting.

    We just have to fight our way to an explanation of what UFOs are or are not, even if they turn out to be or are an actual chimera.

    As Seinfeld told his pal George during their attempt to get their sitcom about nothing on NBC, "Well, nothing is something." (I think Sartre might agree.)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, July 28, 2019  

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