UFO Conjectures

Tuesday, July 30, 2019

Ufologists are not the brightest bulbs in the lamp

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We all know that, but hate to admit it, as we thus condemn ourselves to the generic ignorance.

I am so sick of reading about Roswell, Rendlesham, MJ-12, and everything else that is dredged up from the flying saucer past.

And, yes, I am as guilty of resurrecting the past as everyone else, and I flagellate myself everyday accordingly for such stupidity.

But it’s not just the regurgitation of the mildewed past that is the problem. It’s the stilted and pathetic thinking and verbosity that enclouds the UFO topic.

When you see a dialogue here between me and Bryan Sentes, that’s not profound intercourse. It’s a dance of nitwits pretending to be philosophical about UFOs when, in reality, we both are not being anywhere philosophical; we’re just using the mantle of philosophy for academic artifice.

One might use the “techniques” of philosophical thought to get at the UFO problem but that would be futile. UFOs are not subject to the vicissitudes of philosophical-thought, UFOs are an anomaly, a phenomenon needing scientific rumination and study, not plebian pretense with an academic overcoat.

And then there’s my pal MJ Banias flaunting his book UFO People which is a fun read but what has it to do with the phenomenon? It is peripheral as hell. (I hope he makes a few bucks off his effort, but as for adding anything of substance to the UFO topic, I don’t think so.)

And what has happened to ufologists, like those in the past -- Rich Hall, Stan Friedman, Keyhoe, et al. – who dug into the flying saucer mystery with an intent to understand or explain it?

Where is their ilk today? (Paul Kimball, who is like them, refuses to come back into the UFO arena. Who can blame him? )

Yes, I know you’re tired of my bitching, but I need to vent, because the UFO topic is on my list of things to understand, better than I do, but mingling with the UFO crowd is preventing me from that understanding. I'm like that UFO square encased in a sphere: I’m a non-sequitur waiting for a UFO messiah, as fruitlessly as a Christian waiting for the return of Christ. (It ain’t gonna happen.)

RR

17 Comments:

  • I have always believed that if you strip away all the conspiracy theory especially surrounding the older UFO cases then you're left with nothing but a mundane story of little consequence to anyone except for those that were involved. I could write a lot more but I will let it go at that.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Tuesday, July 30, 2019  

  • Phil:

    I think you make an interesting point.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, July 30, 2019  

  • Rich bitching??:)..?

    Philosophically Rich, all lightbulbs can shed light on this subject, even the dullest, but Rich, your the bright-spark behind this word-puzzle of UFOs and it's your helm that some sailers/readers, have dropped off, I've noticed!!..

    As for the UFO messiah, as fruitlessly as Christians waiting for the return of Christ.It will be the "Antichrist" no one believes. We've been warned!!..

    While Zoam here,is Antiufo:) don't believe him either........

    By Blogger Daniel, at Tuesday, July 30, 2019  

  • Ha...Phil's statement tends to be spot on! Stories, myths, legends (UFOs and others) can be peeled like an onion...by the layers. There is a kernel of truth, but that truth is left wanting when uncovered. Truth...such a relative pesky fellow.

    Rich, come to the pragmatic side...the water is warm and soothing, forget the UFO insanity!

    But I know that you can't...

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Tuesday, July 30, 2019  

  • If any progress is going to be made toward understanding UFOs, then at minimum attention will have to be directed overwhelmingly to the good cases that seem to get so little attention--by "good cases" I mean the multi-witness radar-visual ones. I note that the Minot 1968 incident--arguably the best event on (public) record--is mentioned in only one post on this blog. But the boring, meaningless, single-witness Socorro case gets yammered about incessantly. Why? That's real insanity, to my mind. Another (among far too many) is the stupid Arnold incident. One witness, so almost no value--yet people go on and on and on about it, autistically rehashing the details of one man's testimony as if some deep truth could be derived from it.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Tuesday, July 30, 2019  

  • Could it be that the era of UFOs is closing and the phenomena (and yes, I believe there´s genuine phenomena)is starting to change...into something else ("And next, something completely different")? Maybe 50 years into future people will laugh at our pretensions of UFOs and alien contact (although we perhaps find intelligent life in our galaxy sooner, and no UFOs) like we think it´s amusing how people in Victorian era were really interested in paranormal stuff and seances and ghosts...

    By Blogger Jerry Cornelius, at Wednesday, July 31, 2019  

  • Hmm...hmmm...

    I think what´s happening is that they´re more "UFO investigators" who spend their time at the computer...On the other hand, it could be too difficult and expensive to travel around. It´a damn nuisance we can´t replicate the UFO experience in laboratory.

    By Blogger Jerry Cornelius, at Wednesday, July 31, 2019  

  • Ufology has come to a crossroad. Its failure to gain acceptance by the majority of the science community and a lot of the mainstream media has left it floundering in limbo. And rightly so.

    Scammer's and hoaxer's dominant the UFO landscape which has made it hard for Ufology to gain traction as an accepted part of science. Sure there are a lot of good researcher's out there but their work gets marred by those who are only out for fame and glory.

    Ufology only keeps its foothold simply because it is fed by the conspiracy theory of those that think the government is hiding something. Well a little newsflash for those with this attitude. National Security comes first! And there are things the public just does not need to know..And many people who shout this stuff have never spent one day in the military and have no idea how things work at that level.

    The media gets hammered because it does not cover the UFO scene as many think it should..With all the UFO reports alone in the United States it would consume all the media attention and you would never hear of anything else going on in the world..

    It's just not feasible. UFO news is old news..As Matty points out we continue to hammer away at 70 year old cases..I have seen threads on forums go hundreds of pages just on Roswell alone!

    If Ufologist's want respect then stop the campaign of hoaxing and scamming..Dispel the conspiracy theory. If Ufologists have an image problem then they as a whole have brought it on themselves the way I see it.

    There is Ufology and Bad Ufology...The bad outweighs the good in many cases...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wednesday, July 31, 2019  

  • Hi Jerry...Why go anywhere? Cheaper to sit behind a computer..What with the inter webs these days you can find what you're looking far without having to spend a dime. There are a lot of us are not born with silver spoons in our mouths and some of us are on fixed incomes.

    [Off Topic]
    Which brings me to author's who complain about how they make no money on writing books yet they spend god knows how much on traveling, interviewing etc...If there is no money in it why do it? If you're going to write a book on the paranormal write it, just don't complain to the rest of us cause you're not making any money you're the one that chose to do it.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wednesday, July 31, 2019  

  • @Phil I think you´re quite right. After all, investigating things costs money and time and very probably leads to nowhere (has anyone ever heard of a successful UFO investigation that found out there were real aliens involved and now they´re in custody?).

    And hey, Phil, I wasn´t born with a silver spoon, either. What I meant was that maybe people should´not call themselves "UFO investigators" if only thing they investigate is the internet. (On the other hand, serious investigating in the libraries has been done by students writing their dissertations.)

    (And I just noticed my previous comment seems to lack a verb or something...)

    In the future we probably won´t go out that much but enjoy the comforts of virtual reality...

    By Blogger Jerry Cornelius, at Wednesday, July 31, 2019  

  • Got no idea what you mean by that last sentence but anyway...

    Nothing wrong with armchair ufology, it's no worse than armchair cryptozoology...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wednesday, July 31, 2019  

  • Matty mentioned the 1968 UFO incident at Minot. I believe that Rich had linked to my site for more detail. Probably the best effort by Blue Book, yet still wanting in the end for a final definitive conclusion. A good case that underlines the quirks of subjective perceptions. Four men on the ground describing the same source light in four different ways. Speed described at no more than 150-175 mph, yet radar source (B-52) has energy pulse traveling at 3000 plus mph. yet no one on the ground described this speed. BTW, the four on the ground describe the B-52 in orbit around their location and the B-52 describe the "stationary" UFO on the ground, this was the lit up launch facility due to it's site lights illuminating the entire area.

    Fun case, but IMHO no UFO/ETs.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Wednesday, July 31, 2019  

  • In answer to some points touched on here, too long for a mere comment:

    http://skunkworksblog.com/2019/07/31/on-the-unreal-reality-and-real-unreality-of-the-ufo-redux-or-what-we-have-here-is-a-failure-to-communicate/

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Wednesday, July 31, 2019  

  • Hello Tim,

    I'm familiar with your arguments about the case, but don't think that they hold up. For example, on the speed, as far as I know, there was a momentary acceleration of the UFO (a term I use in the most literal sense) that was the basis of the 3k mph estimate. There's no indication that it, or the other possible UFOs involved, was moving at that speed at all times, or that it was visible to ground observers when it accelerated. In fact, the UFO that was on the B-52 radarscope was concealed to ground observers by clouds when the seeming acceleration occurred. But I don't want to derail this thread into discussion of Minot. That wasn't the point of my comment.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wednesday, July 31, 2019  

  • @Phil
    "Got no idea what you mean by that last sentence"
    Well, I just meant that probably in the future humans won´t meet that often with other humans because they´re quite comfortable with the virtual reality, after all, it can be anything we want it to be....

    By Blogger Jerry Cornelius, at Wednesday, July 31, 2019  

  • 'Ufologists are not the brightest bulbs' - whilst tempted to agree to some extent, in some quarters - I'm willing to overlook the redundant bit of tautology of 'in the lamps' for example (judiciously lopped-off the scrag-end of said metaphor *ahem* 'it was a mercy killing m'lud!' :D ) neither of our so-called 'leaders' - particularly the two buffoons currently ensconced ('installed' more like) in those positions in the US & UK, would trouble a tea-light in terms of 'luminous flux' were their dismal intellects wired up to a lux meter.

    Provided Daddy's a multi-millionaire member of the Establishment and you attended the approved elite private education establishments - we guarantee you'll succeed and walk into a top job, however low your IQ is and irrespective of how clearly ill-informed, unknowledgeable or just plain stupid you regularly demonstrate you are!

    Thank God we live in a 'free, democratic meritocracy' where everyone can excel! (And if you believe that, you really WILL believe ANYTHING!)

    :D

    By Blogger DrDee, at Thursday, August 01, 2019  

  • Quote: "I am so sick of reading about Roswell..."

    Only reading? :/ And what´s with watching? :D :D :D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4w84Jz47Rg

    By Blogger Lemurian, at Friday, August 02, 2019  

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