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Monday, September 09, 2019

Weather phenomena, not UFOs or Editorial cartooning?

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Bryan Sentes writes that this isn't a representation of UFO warfare and does not represent an editorial-oriented drawing about the Reformation/Counter-Reformation weltanschauung  that I contend it represents.

Bryan leans toward the explanation that the broadsheet is showing, along with the Basel broadsheet, a representation of unusual weather phenomena seen by the population for the dates indicated in the text.

(And he has support, of course for his position, as usual, some from Jerome Clark in his 1998 UFO book.)

But what is this (in the Nuremberg broadsheet, shown above):
Is that a fire from a lightning hit, a meteor hitting the ground, or a new kind of meteorological thingie?

It's the wrath of God, afflicting either Luther's heresy or the Church's vivid rebuttal, depending upon the "cartoonist's" -- he's no artist -- predilection.

And what's this:
A spear? Or some kind of Germanic weather icon, pre-Nazi?

I'm sorry, but Bryan's weather thesis, along with the UFO speculation, is poppycock.

The depiction, along with the Basel broadsheet, are both opinionated drawings, not unlike Bosch's Ship of Fools in the time-frame.

RR

7 Comments:

  • In my comments at the original post, I already admitted upfront the illustrations are highly stylized, like the sun's having a face, eh.

    And you still can't square your interpretation with the text that accompanies the picture, of which it is an illustration (nobody denies this relation).

    If you search "broadsheets 16th century" you'll find images that are either _emblems_ (highly ornate, allegorical pictures), satires (very obviously, e.g., clergy depicted with animal heads), or more-or-less realistic (though stylized) artists' impressions (e.g., Luther nailing his famous document to the church door). The illustration in question is clearly in comparison no satire or "editorial cartoon".

    The broadsheet in question is an example of a kind of popular print media concerned with prodigies, which, in the context of the religious upheavals of the day, sure, enjoyed a boon. The illustration, were it satirical, would be obviously so, and the text would likely be a poem on the same topic.

    You're seeing the illustration with eyes accustomed to codes of visual representation other than the artist's time and place and closed to the facts of the document that resist your interpretation (and the literature that would disabuse you of thinking of the illustration as a "cartoon"), ironically the same kinds of faulty thinking that lead to the blunders of Ancient Astronaut / Alien theorists, who we both agree are just plain wrong in seeing a Renaissance UFO witness report.

    My own take on these two broadsheets is forthcoming at Skunkworksblog...I'll let it rest (doubtless to the relief of many), here.

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Monday, September 09, 2019  

  • Besides the comment above, Bryan treats the Basel/Nuremberg broadsheets more completely at his blog, skunkworksblog.com

    Check it out, although he really doesn't answer one question: What is that smoke (explosion) highlighted in the drawing of what Bryan says are illustrations of weather phenomena?

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, September 09, 2019  

  • I do: I quote the broadsheet.

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Monday, September 09, 2019  

  • The broadsheet is self-serving for the "drawer" -- he's not an artist.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, September 09, 2019  

  • Bryan is correct that the broadsheets, in light of the associated texts, describe strange (to the alleged observers, anyway) aerial phenomena. What I don't understand is his frankly admitted immediate rejection of the view that the phenomena were the same as, or among, those that provide the stimuli responsible for modern UFO experiences.

    Obviously the ancient alienists' breathless insistence that the broadsheets clearly depict encounters with ET craft is ridiculous. But I don't understand how Bryan excludes the possibility that the broadsheets convey experiences with the same phenomena at the heart of modern UFO sightings.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Tuesday, September 10, 2019  

  • Matty:

    Bryan is wrong and I'll be putting a final nail in his weather phenomena coffin later today.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, September 10, 2019  

  • After looking these pictures I`m tempted to scream that I have absolutely no idea what they represent... (Meteor shower and meteors hitting the ground? Is that even possible?)

    "The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there."

    By Blogger Jerry Cornelius, at Tuesday, September 10, 2019  

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