UFO Conjectures

Saturday, February 20, 2021

UFOs from various futures

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When Rendlesham Forest “witness” Jim Penniston noted at the end of the video David Haith linked on Facebook -- which I added here the other day  -- that alleged entities of the 1980 incident in Britain were from the future, I became interested.

The Rendlesham UFO account has been a ramshackle tale that has accreted “details” over the years which I’ve ignored but the “time-traveler” addition from Penniston intrigues.

It opens the door to this conjecture…..

Let’s suppose that UFOs are craft (visitations) from Earthian time-travelers, humans from our future.

Penniston suggests they are from 8000 years hence. But what about this?

What if time-traveling becomes possible at some time in the future: 50 years from now, or more realistically a few hundred years, or 1000 years, 2000, even Penniston’s 8000?

And what if time-traveling, once accomplished, occurred often, at various times in the human life-span; that is, humans used the process – once it was possible – to travel back in time, from various periods of human existence, different points in the time-span of civilization, each with its own interest: some human going back to Earth’s earliest days, others to the Medieval ages, and others to the 19th Century or after World War II when the nuclear age dawned.

Wouldn’t those future humans come back, within their own interests or needs, return with vehicles or containers that reflected their states of the aerodynamic or traveling devices, each one different in style, propulsion, abilities, all according to the technology of the time from whence the visitors come.

This would explain the different crafts, even those in them, and what was being sought out or of interest.

The varying UFOs would also be dynamically different – airships (probably as part of a concocted scenario), cigar shaped craft, flying saucers, triangular ships, amorphous containers, each container unique for the time from which they come.

The airship creations, Ken Arnold’s boomerang ships, Officer Zamora’s UFO, the 1966“swamp gas” visitor, the Pascagoula “robots,” even the AATIP intruders, all different, and all from various ages of human evolution.

I’ll have more to say on this but welcome your thoughts as usual.

[Pictures above from InterestingEngineering.com. medium.com, et al]



  • I love your speculations, Rich, but I'm such a "linear" thinker and that I can't get my head around time-travel backward. (Forward maybe, but backwards?) Besides, isn't there the "Star Trek" problem of visitors from the future altering the present (by their very presence) and, therefor, altering the future...the very future the visitors allegedly come from! My mind reels! On the other hand, it would "explain" the basic humanoid shape and variety of vehicle shapes reported. Question: How does Penniston know that his entities were from the future? They just told him so? What we really require for proof is some specific prediction about the future that some future aliens would know, like the exact Dow Jones Average closing on Sept 13, 2021. Now THAT would get my attention.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Saturday, February 20, 2021  

  • There's a minor time-travel flurry right now, as you know Dom. It's been bugging me, and when I read in David Haith's note that Penniston said the entities involved in his incident came from the future, I was, as I wrote, intrigued.

    I didn't watch the video interview -- the comment was at the very end with no exposition.

    I've never been much interested in the Rendlesham thing because, as noted, it's been rife with ongoing evolutionary details and accretions.

    Also, that book. IFOs, by Mike Masters makes a good scientific argument for time-travel so I've fallen into that category pretty much.

    You think it's more feasible to travel forward in time, rather than backward?

    Interesting. I'd think going back would be easier, but only because I've been brainwashed by fictive stories that sway that way.

    And, yes, altering even the slightest thing would cause monumental changes in the future if the butterfly effect is true.

    My little conjecture helps me account for the many different kinds of UFOs, the disparate but human-like entities, and resolves the problems of travel for ETs (distances etc.) to Earth, which is, as I keep harping, so insignificant in the galactic scheme of things (leaving the whole Universe itself out of it).

    I'll come back to the time-travel thing, with more on the "to the past" view vs "to the future view" upcoming, even though, like physics math, it hurts my brain.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, February 20, 2021  

  • Some of my favorite early sci-fi novels were Poul Anderson's "Time Patrol" series. Leave it to humans to screw with the timeline, needing Time Cops to straighten out the paradoxes and other messes. (So far our future selves have managed to not leave a scrap of evidence of their origin behind -- unless, of course, that's the UFO debris. I just wanted to get that in before Bragalia does.)

    But, yes, travelers from everywhen come exploring Earth times in their future Fords and BMWs. If you buy the premise, it makes sense.

    Taking it a step further: what if it's not just the time from which they come, but also from where? Maybe Earth has proven to be so unique that its history has become the prime time-travel venue for human future-naut scholars as well as alien ones. (That could explain some sightings, no?)

    It'll be interesting to tackle this concept, hopefully without getting bogged down too much in the paradox questions that always take the fun out of it.

    By Blogger Ron, at Saturday, February 20, 2021  

  • There are a plethora of possible visitors, from various time periods, Ron, as you note:

    Scholars, certainly, "vacationers" -- they remain part of the human herd, AI constructs (Pascagoula), 8000 A.D. entities (the "grays"), scenario practitioners (those appearing in encounters of various kinds, actors in nature pretending to be airship adventurers or ETs from other planets), et cetera.

    Those damn paradoxes that worry Dom (and me a little) could have cataclysmic possibilities, although one might dismiss the paradox problem(s) if we live in a deterministic reality.

    For me, time-travelers resolve lots of issues -- and Dom's idea of visitors from our past rather than our future is open in my mind, if Earth had an advanced civilization from our past, one that destroyed itself or was destroyed by catastrophic circumstances, that caught up with them after they made many visits going forward.....but that wouldn't explain all the kinds of crafts or entity types that have shown up and continue to do so.

    Time-travelers -- or even visitors from other dimensions or universes where cross-hopping
    visits have been conquered -- fascinate, more than ETs from far, far away, whose advanced spaceships keep crashing, leaving debris all over the place apparently.

    More to come....


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, February 20, 2021  

  • I'm not disagreeing with the time travel premise, but I'm not buying Penniston's 8,000 years, as anything beyond a few centuries will make things unrecognizable and likely impossible to understand. I also find little reason why future-nauts would want to interact with current us. I see whatever they are continuing on as specters, and in this scenario Scotty doesn't leave behind the formula for transparent aluminum.

    By Blogger Ron, at Saturday, February 20, 2021  

  • Ted Williams, as I understand it, was "frozen" cryogenically years ago. If they are able to wake Ted up and breath life into him 50 years from now, has he not become a "time traveler" of sorts into the (his) future? This idea can of course be extended out hundreds of years into the future for some very serious "time travel". Downloading your thoughts and experiences to a thumb drive, holding it for 400 years, and then up-loading it to a new body; presto, time travel into the future. Not only possible, but a likely development in human technological evolution...at least for the rich. But how, even in theory, does anyone go backward in time...since time appears to only go one way...forward. I have not read the relevant literature so if anyone can enlighten me, please do.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Saturday, February 20, 2021  

  • I don't get the 8000 years either, Ron......how did he come up with that? I'd like to see a follow-up.

    Remember that H G Wells time-traveler went to the year 29,000 or something like that and we still found Morlocks and Eloi, not very different from Wells human peers.

    I noted in my posting that 100 years might be one of the time-frames from which visitors might come, allowing them to be not that dissimilar from humans in our 10,000 year span.

    Can humans conquer time in the next 100 years. I think so.

    But as you point out, what would cause time-travelers to check out the 100 years preceding their era(s); they'd still have access to digital materials (information), books even, or other detritus from our primitive (to them) society.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, February 20, 2021  

  • Dom:

    I'll see if I can pull Dr. Masters' argument from his book, without getting it too messed up.

    (I have a new book, also, about Einstein's thinking. I don't think there's a prohibition about backwards time.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, February 20, 2021  

  • The movie "A.I." features the Meccas, our evolutionary robot selves, showing supreme interest in archaeological digs around ice-buried New York City, and in the little boy robot, the precursor to themselves. Since the Meccas are information junkies, the past would hold a treasure-trove of info for them to study. Add time travel to fit this conjecture. One difference of note between the movie characters and the sightings that have been recorded in our age, is that many of these "travelers" have shown belligerence, rather unfriendly behavior for pure scientific inquirers.

    Despite many boxes being checked, there's always something in a theory that calls into question the theory itself. We're missing something in all these tales, and it's like the Bill Maher segment of his show: "I don't know it for a fact, I just know it's true."

    By Blogger Ron, at Sunday, February 21, 2021  

  • Ron:

    Writers and other creative efforts -- even in the fictive worlds -- often stumble upon truths and present them, imaginatively. I think Eric Wargo makes this point ingeniously often at his site: thenightshirt.com.

    I eschew, nowadays, much that is fictional, as I'm too jaded to try and separate the wheat from the chaff in fiction.

    But stuff from my past readings for entertainment, along with movies, TV shows, art and even music -- Charles Ives' The Unanswered Question for one -- have stood me well in understanding some truths that non-fiction efforts provide me nowadays.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, February 21, 2021  

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