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Thursday, May 13, 2021

Where are Ufology’s saints?

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Jacques Vallee, always considered above ufological “sin,” is now receiving some mild opprobrium preceding his pending book The Best Kept Secret or whatever it ends up being titled as.

Some say he’s out to make money, others indicating he, like other UFO biggies, has gone haywire. And some have just jettisoned the guy, as often happens to UFO people who’ve been around too long.

Book publisher and UFO toy collector Philip Mantle has gone to great lengths to try and diminish Nick Pope by presenting some innocuous exclamations that Nick isn’t a real UFO researcher. Fortunately, most UFO people have ignored Philip’s nonsensical and mean-spirited envy of Nick’s popularity and current fame.

Then there is Stan Friedman for believing in MJ-12; Allen Hynek for “swamp gas”; James McDonald for committing suicide; Ray Palmer for being a scalawag; Bob Sheaffer for being a skeptic; Kevin Randle for once believing that Roswell was an extraterrestrial event; John Keel for not remaining sane; and others vilified or rebuked for UFO sins, a few venial and some mortal.

But the fact is this: there is no one in ufology or the UFO community who is totally above reproach for something UFO-related.

The UFO mythos is, by its nature, a quagmire open to ethical, moral, or intellectual traps.

The phenomenon brings out the worst in people, not the best in people. Why is that?

There are no saints or geniuses among those immersed in UFOs or part of the UFO community.

Yes, there are some nice or smart people, but no saints or real scholars. Sorry. There just aren’t any.

RR

12 Comments:

  • Never fear. Demi Levato is here to take the torch from Tom DeLonge. Salvation is at hand.

    By Blogger Ron, at Thursday, May 13, 2021  

  • I beg to differ. James McDonald was a "real scholar" in every sense of that term. He was a well-published and well-respected atmospheric physicist with an academic position at the University of Arizona. During WW2 he was an instructor in aerology at MIT and also worked in Naval Intelligence during the War. In 1954, in association with the University of Chicago, he helped establish the Institute of Atmospheric Physics (IAP) at the University of Arizona at Tucson where he first became an administrator and then a research scientist.

    McDonald spent a full 5 years seriously exploring the UFO mystery from a scientific perspective. He left behind a treasure trove of UFO-related material including over 600 detailed case reports...probably the most by any scientist in the UFO field including Vallee and Stanton Friedman. He testified before Congress on UFOs and was outspoken that the subject had to be taken seriously. Was he a bit quirky? What academic (in the physical sciences) isn't? But was he a real scholar? Absolutely no question and we must not trivialize this...since it is so rare.

    I have said this before and I repeat: The best book length treatment of the explorations and tribulations of a man of science with respect to the UFO mystery is Ann Druffel's powerful book on McDonald, "Firestorm" 2003. Highly recommended.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Thursday, May 13, 2021  

  • And her interest is all over the place.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, May 13, 2021  

  • Dom:

    I saw McDonald as brilliant also, but I'm asking, Where are we now with saints or scholars.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, May 13, 2021  

  • We are nowhere with saints; forget saints. For scholars and scholarship to be "somewhere" it must be treated seriously by other scholars and it must ultimately be published in peer-reviewed journals. This simply has not happened. Now we could explore some possible reasons for this problem. The most important reason, I think, is the fact that UFO "facts" and observations generally fall outside the mainstream by a wide margin. It takes super-powerful evidence to overthrow "establishment" positions in science, positions that the bulk of the scientists accept as legitimate and will defend against outliner views. This is changing slightly at the margin as younger scientists are more open to new perspectives. But is a paradigm shift at hand with respect to UFOs? Probably not.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Thursday, May 13, 2021  

  • Dom...

    By now you know I can't edge away from the religious angle(s), seeing science and scientists as a kind of religion with its own high priests and saints.

    And I have to note that when scholars -- supposedly real scholars -- get involved with UFOs, they get awful non-scholarly: Pasulka is an example.

    The topic corrupts for some reason. It's not the phenomenon itself but something about it that makes people loopy.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, May 13, 2021  

  • Ridicule is hard to shake. If you've been made to look a fool and a clown, that's your avatar. There are no easy comebacks from being branded. (Some ufologists currently seek redemption. Good luck with that.)

    When everyone has a theory and no one has evidence, and when left to their own devices (with some judicious manipulation thrown in), the community dissolves into a bunch of screaming squirrels.

    Right now, one alien nut or bolt might be worth more than a handful of scholars, a saint or messiah.

    By Blogger Ron, at Thursday, May 13, 2021  

  • Just posted on Facebook, Bruce Maccabee "predicts that the U.S. Navy's UAP Task Force will confirm that some UAP are vehicles controlled by non-human intelligences."

    What outcome should we expect from this?
    1) Maccabee has accurate insider information, and we should prepare ourselves for this earth-shaking reveal.
    2) Maccabee has been conned and the statement will end up being an embarrassment that he'll shuck off just like other ufologists' faux pas.

    Has anyone ever lost a dime betting against ufologist statements? It's sad that this is the state of play.

    By Blogger Ron, at Friday, May 14, 2021  

  • Once, Errol Bruce Knapp told me that he thought Bruce was a Navy insider, a kind of UFO agent for the service.

    He may have connections, yes?

    I've always, as you know, -- since day one, online -- thought the Navy was more interested and knew more about UFOs than the Air Force.

    I remain convinced of that, Ron.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, May 14, 2021  

  • Yes, the Navy seems to be the lead service on these things. (Hard not to make the connection between this and USOs, as well.) I guess we'll see eventually how much of an insider he is.

    And sorry for going a bit OT, but there's a new article on TWZ (honestly, I'm not a fanboy, but they break these stories) suggesting (not proving, but making good points along the way) that if the government really wanted to bury a program away from public and other inter-governmental views, the Department of Energy would be the most effective black hole. Their secrecy rules are different and go deeper than any other government agency (and are protected by law, not subject to Congressional whim), and they have the skills and manufacturing capacity to study and (back?) engineer anything to do with energy-related projects. No need to spell out how that might impact you-know-what.

    Is there a tie-in to this and talk about the Navy? The Navy's nuclear reactor programs are a huge sub-set of the Department of Energy.

    By Blogger Ron, at Friday, May 14, 2021  

  • I recall, Ron, Energy being involved in some way with a few iconic UFO events.

    I'll see if I can find those.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, May 14, 2021  

  • I've often considered the apparent fact of more frequent Navy reports of UFOs while the Air Force with a couple of thousand more aircraft essentially stays silent.

    It would seem significant that Navy aircraft, routinely on patrol about the carriers and related support ships, are in a lower elevation and over water environment over where there is less opportunity for terrain masking UFOs. Surely the Air Force aircraft are also commonly over water but routinely at high altitude.

    -We had no capability for carrier landings....thank God.

    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Friday, May 14, 2021  

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