UFO Conjectures

Sunday, July 25, 2021

The UFO [UAP] ET Explanation

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Our Dominick and many (most?) others in the UFO community believe that UFOs derive from extraterrestrial visitations.
 
And they could be right, despite all the scientific and physical problems that stand in the way of that explanation for the phenomenon.

I’m not going to repeat all the problems with the ET scenario; that’s been done here and elsewhere, ad infinitum, ad eternum, ad nauseum.
 
And while I (and I think Ron, maybe Daniel, and a few other visitors here) see the ET solution as viable to some extent, there are other suggestions that are just as viable: time travelers, interdimensional gadflies, secret  technologies (for today’s sightings), an advanced, hidden Earth race, von Neumann probes from afar, Caravacain theatrics, Jungian projections…..some seemingly silly, but no more than the ET conjecture.
 
By being stuck in the ET muck, Dominick and his ET cohorts, keep us locked in a Sci-fi orientation that is accepted because it is plausible, not scientifically realistic, just plausible.
 
Let’s come up with something that fits the data and the physical realities that prevent the ET acceptance as the solution to the long-time enigma.
 
Otherwise we’ll stay stuck in the circular thoughts that abounded in 1947 when flying saucers showed up, without the sophistication of astronomical distances or physics know-how as plentiful as it is nowadays.

Image atop from The New Yorker magazine
 

RR

10 Comments:

  • We might take a re-look at atmospheric phenomena, like the Hessdalen lights, that appear to have a life of their own. I admit to giving the idea short-shrift before but I've been watching documentaries and exploring the research group's website. The idea intrigues.

    There are others here who know much more about this.

    By Blogger Ron, at Sunday, July 25, 2021  

  • Julien likes the lights....

    I don't and I bet Dominick doesn't either -- lights don't chase airplanes or helicopters.

    And they don't descend to disembark humanoids, not even elementals. I am not intrigued, Ron.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, July 25, 2021  

  • A lifeform not biologic but plasmic. And as alien as ET. I kinda thought it'd be a hard sell. So much for my muse of the day.

    By Blogger Ron, at Sunday, July 25, 2021  

  • Since all the lights, Ron, thus far experienced or photographed are like the lights of Earth, that UAP result tells me that we're not dealing with anything out of the ordinary.

    Since "light" from interdimensional or extraterrestrial sources would have to differ from ours, even within quantum parameters, we're not seeing anything foreign to Earth's light emissions.

    That is, the development of light by off-Earth entities would not emulate light like our own.

    I presented the argument, with supporting material, a while back here (and elsewhere).

    That's why the Hessdalen phenomenon (or phenomena) doesn't get me excited.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, July 25, 2021  

  • Let me say this;...The solution to understanding just very bright lights, and that's all that is seen, are objects emersed in its own powerful field of energy, seen only, as very bright light....It is like looking at a very bright light,but there's a vehicle behind it,not seen because OF, the bright light, OR the vehicle, is invisible for some reason, but the light seen, is not!..

    But none the less, an object?.........

    By Blogger Daniel, at Monday, July 26, 2021  

  • b”h

    Hello RR,

    You present your wish: “Let’s come up with something that fits the data and the physical realities that prevent the ET acceptance as the solution to the long-time enigma.”

    I’d say that one first has to settle on what day-to-day reality around us consists of, before rushing off, hair-on-fire, screaming about UFOs. Recent lectures at The Royal Institution by physicists Harry Cliff and David Tong provide a powerful corrective to a foundational misunderstanding about “reality”.

    Most people, myself included, were taught that “reality” is based on “standard model particles”, those sub-atomic particles that make up atoms, molecules and everything we know about physics. Stunningly, Dr. Cliff says that instead of particles, rather all-pervasive fields filling the universe are actually what is fundamental. In fact, tiny persistent perturbations within these universal fields are what we call “particles” and they arise solely and expressly out of the all-pervasive fields.

    Here Dr. Cliff says this explicitly at time 22.30 to about 23.00:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEuM_e4MvgE

    And here from 10.30 and to 12.15 Cliff goes into more detail.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edvdzh9Pggg

    Dr. David Tong, at 7.30 minutes, likewise establishes this by about 21.20 minutes -- the reality that we humans intuitively think of as based on particles, is instead bases on ubiquitous, all-pervasive fields that fill the universe.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNVQfWC_evg

    These fundamental fields are what support the existence of so-called particles, that are themselves actually persistent wave perturbations.

    Whoa . . .

    So, this recent concept of fundamental reality actually being all-pervasive fields opens up the conversation about the anomalous to places far, far beyond metallic craft made from exotic ufonium alloys traveling from the galactic system Exo-Terrestrium, piloted by Grays, Mantids, Reptilians, Nordics, and fifty-three other alien races that Sgt “Deer-in-the-headlights” Cliff Stone spilled the beans on.

    If, essentially, every human being is a collection of persistent wave perturbations, and all of us humans exist within the all-pervasive fields out of which all existence flows, then suddenly, ideas like mental telepathy, or even mind control, are not nearly so hard to believe. But IMHO there’s more.

    Regarding the “anomalous”, the pivotal question to me is this: Are their non-human sentient entities who exist from wave perturbations that are dissimilar to the “standard model” forms familiar to us humans that we imperfectly consider particles? (I conclude, yes, there are such non-human beings.)

    Could such non-human entities influence our human capacity of perception? (I likewise conclude, yes, such entities not only can, but do interact with many humans and influence thought processes, especially during altered states of consciousness, as in sleep / dreaming, hypnosis, deep meditation, drug-induced altered states, etc.)

    Could such non-human entities also manipulate the ubiquitous fields in the universe in astounding ways that blow our limited human minds, because we humans are stuck in a mindset that reality consists predominantly of the “physical – material”? (I think this too is most likely as well.)

    I suggest that such entities could make things happen that look like they break our laws of physics -- endless hovering >going to> instantaneous impossible accelerations, impossible G forces, lack of sonic booms, and in the meantime, also able to know classified CAP rendezvous points, and able to jam modern military-grade radar systems, etc.

    IMHO, there are indeed powerful non-human entities who, something like in the original Star Trek “The Squire of Gothos” continually seek to amuse themselves at our puny human expense. Some of these powerful, non-human entities are far more malevolent. Thankfully, some are generously benevolent and beneficent toward us.

    By Blogger William Strathmann, at Tuesday, July 27, 2021  

  • Bill...

    I'm with you all the way, pretty much.

    And I truly appreciate your comment. It is rich with intriguing information and thought.

    I will try to wrap my head around it and comment in an upcoming post here.

    Again, thanks for the erudite response.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, July 27, 2021  

  • ->IMHO, there are indeed powerful non-human entities who, something like in the original Star Trek “The Squire of Gothos” continually seek to amuse themselves at our puny human expense. Some of these powerful, non-human entities are far more malevolent. Thankfully, some are generously benevolent and beneficent toward us.<-

    Maybe!....But what is the "Definition" of a non-human entity? And where do they reside,or come from, that is any different from; "extraterrestrial" that could be seen in the same line of thought!?....Where are they?....Why are they? And how would one identify?........?

    By Blogger Daniel, at Wednesday, July 28, 2021  

  • I may be too enamored with the 'we live in a simulation' hypothesis, but it seems that William's excellent post, with some word changes here and there, has some close parallel's to what a simulation would entail:

    "I suggest that such entities could make things happen that look like they break our laws of physics" - that would certainly be no problem in a simulation.

    "... continually seek to amuse themselves at our puny human expense." Some would suggest that is perhaps the whole point of a simulation.
    ===================
    (off topic a bit)
    This quote from John Mack seems to lends credence to an 'agent' having *total* control over the situation (a given if they are responsible for a simulation that we live in). I know Mack early on in the 90's favored other explanations for alien abductions (and UFO encounters in general), but he seems to have perhaps settled on an external 'intelligence' being responsible. Since Bostrom's Simulation idea originated around 2003 and Mack died in 2004, Mack unfortunately was probably unaware of it.

    “It is as if the agent or intelligence here at work is parodying, daubing, hoaxing; (and tricking investigators, providing them with just enough physical evidence to convince those willing to believe in the reality of the phenomenon, but not enough to persuade the skeptics” John Mack.

    This total control seems to prevent us from becoming truly aware of what's going on. I'm unclear if the idea that William presents has that same power.

    By Blogger jamesrav, at Wednesday, August 04, 2021  

  • I'm a simulation fan, as you know, James.

    But it's so odd, in our reality context,

    It helps explain much, but .....

    Let me see what I can dig up that might help us accept the idea more readily.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, August 04, 2021  

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