UFO Conjectures

Saturday, August 28, 2021

America is a target of UFOs?

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In that Chapter of Nick Redfern’s Martian book, I noted the other day here, is a reprise of the Biblical account of Lot’s experience with “angels” in Sodom and Gomorrah. (You’re familiar with the tale.)

If there are ETs or gods or a Matrix master controlling our current reality, is it possible that the United States of America and some other places (societies) on Earth who are currently under siege, for abuses of one kind or another?

It’s a sci-fi scenario I’m proposing but suggesting it as a possibility, nothing impossible to my mind…..improbable perhaps, but not impossible.

There is a super-reality in which or to which we are subject – what’s the book about that?

I know some here (Dominick?) are loath to accept the possibility – they ensconced in the “normal” reality that subsumes our attention. But something’s going on, as it has often in the past, and that something is odd, out of the ordinary, and significant, if we’re paying attention.

(I know I’m starting to sound like an advocate of Madame Blavatsky, about which I know little but there it is.)
RR

20 Comments:

  • I respect serious conjectures and speculations about mysteries...else why would I participate on this wonderful blog. But what evidence is there that there are gods or some "Matrix master controlling reality"? Historically, when the great unwashed have run into things they did not understand, they have always attributed its cause to some god or devil or spirit or (now) to the matrix master. Goodness. And then the men and women of science come along, eventually, and provde an explanation in rational terms and solve the mystery. And so it will be, I assume, with the UFO mystery although the time frame for any solution is impossible to predict.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Saturday, August 28, 2021  

  • Dom,

    You are super rational.

    For me, science can be as loopy as anything from the mouths and minds of the great unwashed.

    One of those pro-science books I just got provides anecdotes about science flubs and thinking which ended up furthering profound truths.

    I'll offer some examples coming up.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, August 28, 2021  

  • I never said that "science" never made serious flubs or somehow moves in a straight line to the solution to some problem. Not the way science works or has ever worked. Of course it can be loopy (at the margin) but unlike, say, religion as a methiod of inquiry, it tends over time to have a loopy corrector: scientists, working independently, to replicate with math or physical data, some hypothesis. What or where is the god or matrix master loopy corrector??

    By Blogger Dominick, at Saturday, August 28, 2021  

  • Oh, Dominick, my dear, dear pal...

    Science is its own religion, with all the accoutrements of religion: ritual, sacred symbols, a priesthood, etc.

    I'll present supporting comments.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, August 28, 2021  

  • -> But something’s going on, as it has often in the past, and that something is odd, out of the ordinary, and significant, if we’re paying attention.<-

    Agree!...And that something, is insidious...if we're paying attention......

    By Blogger Daniel, at Sunday, August 29, 2021  

  • Hello everybody,

    @Dominick: "But what evidence is there that there are gods or some "Matrix master controlling reality"

    I think that the day you will have a CLEAR manifestation of the other side you will stop asking this question.

    Maybe the entities controlling reality like to give 'evidence' to people they 'trust'. I really don't know some (very very few) people have this privilege.

    With my daughter and my wife, we have got this absolute proof on the 9th of February 2019 between 2h25 and 2h30 AM. Inside our house. And it had a very profound impact on me and my daughter. My wife prefers not to talk about this but she was also flabbergasted. And this 'proof' has a very clear signature of its inceptor.

    It lasted close to 5 very long minutes and it has been recorded by my daughter.

    For me it is an absolute proof that there are entities very very close to us and that they are not coming from the star Vega or Venus.

    It won't be considered as a scientific evidence. I understand very well this fact.

    But today, I don't care anymore about proofs. I care more about the nature of reality. It has become an obsession for me.

    Our science will never be able to prove the reality of something it doesn't accept and that it cannot grasp because it is invisible to us!!! So why bother ?

    Cheers

    PS: I am not saying that these entities are god(s). I really don't know.
    I am just saying that they are absolutly real (even if science can't 'see' and rejects them).

    By Blogger Hessdalenlights, at Sunday, August 29, 2021  

  • RR,

    Have to go with Dominick on this one. The matrix idea is just the latest frustration with unknowns that invites the gods-like as an explanation.

    Can't see that science is a religion. Quite the reverse. It avoids the contrived explanations of the shamans and such as it looks for evidence and even corrections not unfounded belief. Surely there are pseudoscience diversions...the AA crowd are back on TV.

    Ritual, sacred symbols?

    BD

    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Sunday, August 29, 2021  

  • Ah, Bryan, buddy, you sweet naive guy.

    Science is more religious-like than religion.

    I'll put something on this within the week.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 29, 2021  

  • @Bryan Daum: 'The matrix idea is just the latest frustration with unknowns that invites the gods-like as an explanation.'

    You can’t reject it as easily as you could think.

    Conceptually we are exactly like this shoal of goldfish:

    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0368/7156/9539/files/Poissons-rouges-bocal-le-jardin-des-animaux_480x480.jpg

    They can just be aware of their immediate environment and of themselves. But their image on the bowl is totally distorted. And if someone comes to close to the bowl, they will be upset by the apparition because they can't figure out who is behind it (Is there really someone outside our bowl/universe?).

    Worse. They are condemned to use their imagination to try to figure out what lays outside their ridiculously small bowl.

    Again, quantum physics has been extremely useful regarding the ontological status of our perception of reality. They are flawn.

    @Rich:'Science is more religious-like than religion.'
    I totally agree with you. Mainstream science works like a religion. And it always had and still has its Torquemadas.

    I can give you a very recent exemple: Massimo Teodorani who is part of the Galileo Project that will be dedicated to the study of UFOs is about to lose his Wikipedia page.... He is a well-known astrophysicist BUT he worked a lot on the strange luminous phenomena (Hessdalen lights, …)

    Cheers,

    Julien

    By Blogger Hessdalenlights, at Sunday, August 29, 2021  

  • Hessdalenlights,

    Whatever armchair theories I bring to the table, they are just not comparable to first-hand accounts like yours. Whatever it was you experienced, I hope it was positive and not stressful (in a bad way), especially for your family.

    I also hope none of us ever get trapped in the dogma house.

    By Blogger Ron, at Sunday, August 29, 2021  

  • I knew we were on the same page, Julien, but let me ask, why is Massimo losing his Wikipedia page?

    (I have a small connection with Wikipedia. Anything I might do?)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 29, 2021  

  • Hello Rich,

    'why is Massimo losing his Wikipedia page?'

    Torquemadas (in fact stupid and ignorant pseudo-skeptics) are VERY active on WP.

    More on this here: https://susandemeter.com/2021/08/26/summer-in-wikipedia-land-hot-garbage


    'Anything I might do ?'

    Maybe! Susan is married to Massimo. Let me know if you want to contact her. I am in her FB group with Massimo.

    Bonne soirée!

    Julien


    By Blogger Hessdalenlights, at Sunday, August 29, 2021  

  • Let me check through my back door at WikiP....

    I'll get back with you.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 29, 2021  

  • Hello Ron

    ‘Whatever it was you experienced, I hope it was positive and not stressful (in a bad way)’
    Thanks Ron. You are a very kind person.

    These events happened few days after my mother left this world, in January 2019. She passed away in Europe and we are living in Canada where these strange events took place.
    I lost my sleep during at least two or three months. Not because it was frightening (even though at the end after 5 minutes my daughter was beginning to be frightened) but because it was very clear, very impressive, and full of meanings. It has been very very positive. Especially for my daughter.

    I can say that it changed the way I try to understand these phenomena. Now I don’t believe anymore that they are real because I know without a doubt that it’s the case.
    For my daughter, this event was life changing. At the time she was going through a very very difficult time. To the point that she was not able to study at the university. After this event, she changed completely.

    In fact, I am quite sure today that what happened was also done to help her.

    ‘They are just not comparable to first-hand accounts like yours.’

    Right. But it is very hard to share them with others.

    Reality is more complex than what it seems and there are parts of it that we can’t see. but now I know that intelligent agents are ‘living’ in this hidden area very close to us.

    Cheers,

    Julien

    By Blogger Hessdalenlights, at Sunday, August 29, 2021  


  • 'Let me check through my back door at WikiP....'

    Very appreciated Rich!

    Best regards!

    Julien

    By Blogger Hessdalenlights, at Sunday, August 29, 2021  

  • Hessdalenlights:

    Thanks for your comment of experience, with family. An eye opener for you & yours!? Something to think about, for us all!..wow!..

    I like your concept of the; "shoal of goldfish in a -fishbowl-" Like that! like the zoo down here on earth..Nice one, "Dimensionally" thinking:)......

    By Blogger Daniel, at Tuesday, August 31, 2021  

  • Hello Daniel and everybody,

    "An eye opener for you & yours!?"

    Absolutely.

    Actually, it didn't come out of the blue. For me it was also a kind of a confirmation that what I was learning about the paranormal was not BS.

    But for my daughter it was extremely positive. More than one year and a half after this event, my daughter continues to join me in the garden under the stars to discuss about it. "How did my grand-mother find us?", "Do you think that she was alone?", "What does physics say about these phenomena?", "How does it work ?"

    "How is it possible ?"

    A thousand questions with exactly 0 answer.

    I am today convinced that what happened that night is due to the fact that my mother was clearly a genuine psychic. My mom was known in our family for having predicted events that occurred later. It didn’t come out of the blue. There are some aspects that I don't want to discuss publicly. I hope you understand.

    After years of studying these subjects, I am today convinced that some families are more prone than others to live genuine ‘paranormal’ events (including seeing UFOs). For me, it is today a fact.

    I will give you two interesting examples:

    First example: I was 10 or 11 years old. It was Sunday evening and we were watching TV, waiting for a movie and we were chatting. My mother told us that last night she had a frightening nightmare where people were running in all directions in the middle of a building engulfed in fire.

    She was just finishing her narration when we heard loud shouts outside our home and emergency and fire vehicles. I went outside with my dad and a shoe fabric that was located one block away from us was on fire.

    And we could see panicked people running in all directions.

    It was the exact vision of my mother.

    This was in 1976.

    Second example: Now probably a more impressive example. In 2018, I did some DNA tests and performed some genealogical research on Gedmatch. Genetic genealogy is one of my hobbies. If you don’t have a genealogical family tree, it is extremely efficient to build one based on genetic tests and your DNA Matches who have family trees on this site.

    By the way, this is the one that has allowed the police to solve some very old cold cases by using DNA samples, DNA contacts and family trees (for example: the Golden Gate Killer)

    I discovered that a huge hidden part of our heritage was from Germany. After studying the genealogical trees associated to my DNA contacts, I figured out that these German ancestors were from Baden-Wurttemberg and Bavaria. Our known background being essentially Mediterranean, it was something totally unknown to our family and this heritage was totally forgotten and a surprise. With the help of Gedmatch, I figured out that the most recent German ancestors were living around 1800-1825.

    Now the most interesting part. One or two months later, I decided to tell my mother about this astonishing discovery. She was living in Europe. So, I called her. I was sitting at my desk with Google Earth displaying the map of Germany with the hotspots or cities with a direct link to our DNA, displayed on a wide computer screen.

    My wife and my daughter were with me. We said hello to my mom. We were speaking in French as usual.

    I was about to tell her about the astonishing discovery but I didn't have the time to go on because then my mom asked me right away the following question:

    " What are you doing in Germany?"

    I was flabbergasted. My wife and my daughter were also very surprised. I told my mom that I was still at our home in the Laurentian in Quebec.

    "No, no, someone just told me that you went to Germany. What are you doing there?".

    "Someone just told me that" was my mom’s way to tell us that she was in communication with I don’t know who.

    This is was not a mere coincidence.

    Definitely not.

    Cheers

    Julien

    PS: 6 months after my mother passed away, I visited Germany (and Austria) for the first time with my daughter. A wonderful country.

    By Blogger Hessdalenlights, at Tuesday, August 31, 2021  

  • @Hessdalenlights

    Hello Julien,

    Your suggestion with the fishbowl analogy I must disagree with as, while a cute graphic, is just simply unjustified to me.

    Scientific development is of course a search for knowledge in its own rational, methodical, if not ponderous, format that reviews itself in reconsiderations. It's curious and seeking. We've come a long way.

    There is no blindness, there are considerations of a multiverse in the large and of the small in quantum mechanics where mysteries abound and opinions remain -and other to be sure.

    Here we consider and discuss UFOs that are mysteries. There are other areas of mysteries of the paranormal that are aside of science and begging entrance but are borne of the unreachable and the unrepeatable in their own way.

    Of late there is a bit of science beginning to look into UFOs, I find that hopeful.

    BD

    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Wednesday, September 01, 2021  

  • Hessdalenlights:

    Thanks again Julien, what a lovely story and memory you have of your mom, but she was right:) yes? only, that it was 6 months after her passing,and not when you were talking to her at the time, but you & your daughter did honour your moms question,with a visit to Germany (and Austria) Nice one Julien, and yes, how did she know to bring it up, when you were about to talk to her, about your discovery!? Yes, it is interesting Julien, and I wish you,your wife & daughter, all the best, and cheers to you all.........

    By Blogger Daniel, at Wednesday, September 01, 2021  

  • Hello Daniel, Bryan and all,

    ‘’Yes, it is interesting Julien, and I wish you, your wife & daughter, all the best, and cheers to you all.........’’

    Thanks, Daniel, for your kind words. I also wish you all the best!

    Yes, indeed my mother was right. As I mentioned before, she was known in our family for correctly predicting events. Maybe she 'saw’ us in Germany.

    What was (very) impressive and convincing in this case is that I was looking to the map of Germany when she spoke about Germany.

    At this exact moment, I had the feeling that she was with us at our home in the Laurentians.

    Bryan Dunn: ‘’ Your suggestion with the fishbowl analogy I must disagree with as, while a cute graphic, is just simply unjustified to me.’’

    Right. It’s just an analogy. But I remember reading few years ago about Stephen Hawking and Kant.

    Did you know that a city in Italy barred the use of curved goldfish bowls because it was perceived as cruel to force them to have a distorted view?

    The fact is that we don’t know if the perceived reality is distorted or not. Evolution forced us to accept it as it is perceived.

    Again, from my readings about the ontological considerations of quantum physics, we today have the proof that our perception of reality is either distorted and/or incomplete.

    Genuine 'paranormal' phenomena and genuine UFOs are telling us exactly the same thing.

    It is not a coincidence.

    Bonne soirée à toutes et à tous!

    Julien







    By Blogger Hessdalenlights, at Wednesday, September 01, 2021  

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