UFO Conjectures

Friday, July 30, 2021

An updated History program about the AATIP episodes and more

Friday night, 7/30, the History channel offered an updated UFO program about the AATIP UFOs adding some historical clips of past UFO announcements by the government, UFOs over nuclear facilities, UFOs flying above military installations, along with accounts about Rendlesham, the Doty affair, and other well-worn UFO stories:
Luis Elizondo and other persons from within the AATIP circle were prominent:
While much that was presented was regurgitated UFO material, accenting the phenomenon as UAP now, I did catch some new information, including an illustrated scenario of the cubical UFO [UAP] encountered during the 2014 Nimitz sightings.

RR

Thursday, July 29, 2021

No thoughts on Avi Loeb’s study group or the Travis Walton controversy?

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Aside from Dominick’s  aggrievance with Avi Loeb’s apparent dismissal of science and some noted scientists in Ufology (Hynek, McDonald, Friedman, et al.), you fellows are awful mum on Loeb’s newly created scientific panel.

I think Professor Loeb’s reluctance to dig back into old UFO accounts makes sense, even though those sightings and events could be studied like paleontology, archaeology, astronomy etc. subjects.
 
But his animus against them arising from the messy accretions fixed on many of the sightings over the years by well-intentioned  but inept UFO enthusiasts, even among the scientists in Dominick’s list of qualified ufologists, is well-taken.
 
Being sidetracked by all the foolishness and bias of those who’ve cluttered sightings or episodes would be time-consuming and overwhelming, surely.
 
Yet, just studying new observations or reports keeps us amidst the popular faddishtic ET or prototypical thinking of the general masses and media (social and news, both); e.g., UFOs are new advanced kinds of aircraft flown by government militaries.
 
Sorting through the mass of UAP nonsense that know hogs the UFO limelight is as lousy as taking another look-see at the tired and mishandled past flying saucer material.
 
No thoughts about this?
 
Then we have the blunderbuss attack on Walton’s now iconic abduction story.
 
You know how much I eschew UFO abduction reports, seeing them as beholden to psychological or neurological, even, perhaps, biological mishaps.
But Walton’s kidnapping is interesting; if it’s a hoax it’s a damn good one, so far.
 
Walton has capitalized mightily on his story whether it’s true or not. And in the UFO community, when a person does well – like Nick Pope – the attack dogs show up, frothing at the mouth, out of envy, mostly, and chagrin at not being so noted.
 
Maybe Travis Walton was, indeed, taken away by something, or he created a “fairy-tale” that has become almost mythical.
 
What’s your take? Any thoughts on the matter? Or do you just not give a damn?
 
RR

One Travis Walton discussion from Facebook (for Martin Black and others)

Tomorrow (Monday July 26) on "Meanwhile, Here On Earth," a discussion and analysis of the allegations that have been leveled at Travis Walton and the authenticity of his 1975 UFO abduction. I will be joined by abduction researchers and authors Kathleen Marden and Denise Stoner; James Clarkson, retired Washington State police detective, author, and former State Director for MUFON in Washington State, and Jennifer Stein, documentary filmmaker and Executive Producer of the documentary, "Travis: The True Story of Travis Walton." Immediately following this broadcast on KGRA, "Fade To Black" host Jimmy Church will have Travis Walton on as his guest. Whatever feelings you may have regarding this controversy or whatever personal conclusions you may have reached regarding it, I encourage you to watch or listen to this special episode of "Meanwhile, Here On Earth" and the interview that follows it. Thank you.
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  • Tom Mellett
    Peter Robbins, has Travis Walton ever undergone hypnotic regression from David Jacobs or John Mack or anyone else doing such research?
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    • Peter Robbins
      Yes Tom Mellett. Dr. Leo Sprinkle, Budd Hopkins, and at least one other individual, I think.
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      • Peter Robbins
        TOm, I don't remember the specifics offhand, but right now I'm doing my best to get ready to tonight's broadcast. You can research this yourself via Google.
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  • Stephen Miles Lewis
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    For me, Travis’ NOT having undergone hypnosis has always been a POSITIVE; not a negative
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    • Peter Robbins
      But he has Stephen, and on a number of occasions.
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  • Gary Raymer
    Why is it so hard for people to believe? I don't believe EVERYTHING I hear, read or look at, BUT.......sometimes the unbelievable becomes the norm.
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    • Christopher Bales
      Gary Raymer Why is it so easy to believe something so obviously extraordinary, when the simple explanation is more likely? That's the real question that needs answered.
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  • Tom Mellett
    Peter Robbins here is Charlie Wiser's meticulous and detailed responses to your presentation. More than a Twitter storm. I'd call it a Twitter Typhoon!
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    • Peter Robbins
      Gosh. I'm totally devistated. 😑
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      • Tom Mellett
        Peter Robbins Excellent! I must say, Peter, you play your role very well! (Though the Oscar does go to Travis -- in the category of Lifetime Achievement Award.)
        But take neo-Buddhistic comfort from Charlie Wiser's Twitter handle: "like it matters!"
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  • Roger Renecker
    think he can reeeeeel this back in after his buddy rogers said hes not on board any more .. and called the story a steaming pile of pasture pie? thats a pretty serious hit to his credibility.
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  • Lorin Cutts
    Couldn't bear to listen to the Church show but heard clips on Truthseekers, listened to small bits of this show. I'd like to hear Travis answer questions on a show that is not trying to defend his honor, destroy his legacy or take sides, but just get to the facts.
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    • Tom Mellett
      Lorin Cutts But Travis will never go on a show that challenges his story, so please stop smoking that "Hopium."
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  • Tom Mellett
    How about those tree rings showing evidence of radiation from the UFO in 1975? Here is a BBC story with photos of the trees and their rings in close proximity to Chernobyl when the nuclear accident occurred there in 1986.